As the title says, I want to finally degoogle (completely) my life. I’ve found a Pixel 7 8/128 for ~270€ (or pixel 8? ~470€ but no white :c) it’s refurbished so google doesn’t get a shit from me.
I’m curious to know if:
- You can change the default icons color (black and gray-ish in the image) or is based on the wallpaper
- The camera app is good. Not going to make professional pics or videos but I still want to use it to take pics and a good quality is important. Tried their camera on a phone and the bottom menu to switch mode (picture/video/night mode/etc) was buggy
- Battery life is better/worse than stock Android (if anyone tried that)
- How the sandboxed play services work
- Anything else that I should know about. Some people say it’s good, some it’s bad so I’m curious to know.
I’m still looking for a good maps replacement, Organic Map is not the best because it’s missing a lot of places where I live. I wish there was a google wallet Foss alternative… I needed it to use my card with the phone (rare but still possible!)
Help a new user to fully leave shitty phone companies
the icons are not for every app but i dont know if you can chsnge for default apps. the camera is pretty good has good zoom diff modes etc. battery is pretty good lasts the whole day. the sandboxed services are great most apps work you will have “GmsCompat” running when play services is. and some apps still wont work with the sandboxed play services like Gwallet and the multiple users are a very great tool if you need to run non-free software.
You’re a bit late! It’s ~4 months since I switched to GrapheneOS and I love it! A few little things I miss but long live GOS
Thank you anyway
As with most others I use a different launcher but I switched user accounts to try it out for you and you can theme those icons and then pick a single colour, a trio of colours or choose wallpaper to colour the icons in other colours other than black and white.
I use open camera which has always been fine for my needs and doesnt include any meta data with the saved images.
Battery life has been absolutely fine for me but I never used the stock ROM for comparison.
Sandboxed stuff I’ve used has always worked as is expected but I dont use a lot of apps tbh
I use organic maps but again I very rarely use maps and it can be a bit odd in the way it works but still it has got me where I’ve been going each time.
I think it is great and wouldn’t want to switch back here is a page that lists all bank app compatability as that is a common concern for people.
Hope some of this helps :)
Can you enable metadata in open camera or is it permanently off? I like metadata on my photos…
You can. It’s pretty configurable, as camera apps go. I switched because I wasn’t entirely satisfied with the stock app, and haven’t been disappointed so far.
There are quite a few options but you can enable location, pitch/yaw data, phone exif data all independently of each other as well as add custom exif data of your choosing.
Then it works as I thought. Thank you!
Where can I download OpenCamera? Aurora? Fdroid? (
I’ll search there, not trying to be lazy LOLfound on fdroid)For the rest, good to know!
Sadly, both apps are not there so they are not compatible or hopefully not yet tested
- You can change the default icons color (black and gray-ish in the image) or is based on the wallpaper
Sort of. There’s a selectable “highlight color” that sets the vibe for the phone. I enable the feature that makes it pick a prominent color from my current phone background image, and I find it really nice.
- The camera app is good. Not going to make professional pics or videos but I still want to use it to take pics and a good quality is important. Tried their camera on a phone and the bottom menu to switch mode (picture/video/night mode/etc) was buggy
The camera app is the least buggy, and fastest to load, that I’ve had on Android in a long time. The picture quality is fine. The features are pretty standard - nothing fancy.
- Battery life is better/worse than stock Android (if anyone tried that)
My battery life on GrapheneOS is waaaay better. I assume this is thanks to GrapheneOS having great defaults for restricting apps from running in the background without explicitly getting my permission.
- How the sandboxed play services work
I have more idea than a lot of folks, but I’m not in the headspace to articulate that today, sorry. Fundamentally, it just dumps the “phone home to Google” calls into nowhere, while telling (lying to) the app that the call was a success. Annecdotaly, this works perfectly for 80% of apps I care about, including my bank app.
- Anything else that I should know about. Some people say it’s good, some it’s bad so I’m curious to know.
Profiles were still clumsy last time I used them, and overkill for most users. In my informed non-expert opinion, many folks underestimate how much the default permissions scheme in GrapheneOS protects them without enabling profiles. That said, if I absolutely had to use a work nanny app with extensive permissions, I would enable profiles for that, if I was somehow absolutely unable to buy a dedicated separate phone to install it on. Otherwise, I think profiles cause a lot of folks to give up on running GrapheneOS, in cases where they would have been fine without profiles.
You can change the icons with a different launcher. Try Lawnchair.
I think it’s pretty good, although I did install the isolated GCam but I wouldn’t with another chance.
I hear battery is better but I can’t confirm.
I haven’t used the sandboxed services other than the isolated GCam but that worked great.
I’ve used Graphene for years now and I’ve loved it!
No, no, the icons are fine but I want to know if their color is based on wallpaper or it’s black and stop. Sadly, I miss the old Nova paging but they sold the app 🤷♂️ using NeoLauncher now, I tried lawnchair but didn’t use it for some reason (I don’t remember why)
What do you mean? I can try GCam but I was curious above GOSCam
I just meant I hear GOSCam is actually better now than it was when I first got Graphene. So, if I had another chance (realistically I could do it now but I’m lazy to change it) then I would just stick with GOSCam to avoid having any Google software.
Ooh I get it. Yes, the app is good but I had this small problem on a non pixel phone, nothing crazy though
The icons can be set to use material you on the default launcher which should change them to match the colors of your wallpaper. Not sure if the built in graphene apps respect this though
I was curious. I will try again Lawnchair
Try Magic Earth for a maps app.
-I haven’t found a way to change the default app icons, but it doesn’t bother me that much with all the other apps I end up having.
-the camera app is plenty good for general use. I don’t use it for social media or anything, I use mine for work for taking pics of machinery and I use it to take pics of my kids and stuff and it’s plenty good for that. I can’t say how much tinkering it let’s you do, someone else will have to give more detail
-Battery life is plenty good for me. I have a pixel 6, and I go to bed with it at like 45-60% most days. I’m sure the newer phones are a bit better, but can’t say for sure
-I wish I could give more detail on the sandboxed apps, I use a few apps that use google play services and they work well, bit idk how it works behind the scenes
-honestly it just works like your phones OS should, it’s really quite good
- I also try to use organic maps when I can, but it is still missing things, I use google maps in my browser, but that’s getting worse and worse
I wanted to know if the icons color is based on wallpaper or it’s black and you can’t change it. Not sure if I’ll keep the default launcher anyway
I’m not looking for professional picture quality so if it works good, that’s great!
Still thinking if 7/7 pro or 8 (no white so probably no)
Organic map is a cool project but the fact it misses a lot of places near me is something I don’t like, I need it for work 🥲
Right, for the color, I have a neon background and the icons stay black and white. There’s no option to manually change them as far as I know. I tried changing them before I commented the first time. There might be a way to force it somehow, but that’s outside of my interest level lol
Long press the desktop and go into wallpaper & style, you have options there to change the colors.
Not foss but if you need good maps and a ton of features look into locus maps. I really like it for hiking as you can save offline maps and with brouter you also have offline routing.
By default the icons are black and white, but if you long-press the desktop, there’s a wallpaper & style menu that lets you change the colors to one of several options, including matching your wallpaper or a bunch of pastel color pairs.
I’m a photographer and don’t find the stock GOS camera to be good enough. I use BigKaka’s GCAM mod which is Google’s camera with even more features. It doesn’t require internet access and everything works in version 9.2 on my Pixel 8. It doesn’t require google photos like the stock GCam.
I wish it was on fdroid though… But I’ll check it, thanks!
Thanks, I’m going to check this out. I’m using Gcam but love that there is something better.
FYI you don’t need google photos even though its a requirement. Basically I cant take a picture and then click the little photo thumb to see it. I need to exit the app and click my photo app (the stock GOS one) to open up my photos. “Inconvenient” but really no big deal.
There is GCam photos preview on Izzyondroid (or Calyx) f-droid repo that is supposed to allow you to preview photos using the little photo thumb while using stock GCam.
Is it foss and is this why its not on fdroid.
Also anyone know how to contact said bigkaka?
Edit: forgot somthing
It’s not FOSS as it’s a modded version of Google Camera which is not open source.
Thats a shame
Batter was better. Like by a lot. It became normal when I installed the google play sandbox.
But which one between 7, 7 pro and 8? Not a biggie for money but I’m curious to know.
I’d get the newest one for longer support window.
So 8. Can’t and don’t want to spend 1000€
The 7 gets 5 years of support and some of that is over. The 8 has 7 years of support. Make of that info what you want with your budget
I have tried on several occasions to like GrapheneOS. But every time I install it on my Pixel 7, basic functionality breaks. Things like receiving regular phone calls, as in people calling my number using a normal phone. GrapheneOS will sometimes not even ring and immediately display a notification saying “Missed call”. If my phone cannot be used as a … phone, what good is is?
Hell my android does that
Ditto. Deeply frustrating.
That’s just “regular” Android behaviour
Is it a problem with you only or is it a problem others have too?
I’ve been using GrapheneOS on my phones since the Pixel 3 and I have not had this issue when using Verizon. For the other person maybe it was a different carrier? Or some issue a while ago with that carrier and GrapheneOS.
I’ve had 2 phones with GrapheneOS and never heard of those issues before.
So it’s not a known problem (?). Good to know
Generally with android custom ROMs including GrapheneOS, you will need to make sure your cell service and data is working properly on stock android first. Things like VoLTE provisioning need to be done on stock OS for some reason.
Basically if everything with cellular talk / text / data works on stock, it’s probably good to go for upgrading to custom ROMs. VoLTE provisioning can be checked with a secret dialpad code I don’t remember at the moment.
So I have to use my Sim to see if everything works? 🤔 we’ll see about it, nees to pick a phone first
I use magic earth for maps. It lacks in a lot of ways but is a usable map and navigation system. I like the nav and some of the features bit has (safety alerts, reported police) but the map detail kind of sucks. You zoom in and not every street name is shown. But try it and see if it works for you.
Battery life will be better, and by how much depends on your setup and usage. For instance, I have play services installed, which does eat some battery. But I also turn off location, Bluetooth, mic, camera and sometimes WiFi. I only turn services on when I want to use them. That saves battery. So expect good battery life, but don’t expect any miracles.
Remember that you can add missing ways by yourself at https://osm.org/
That’s not what I’m saying. Magic Earth doesn’t always display every street name, but it isn’t like it doesn’t know them. Zoom in a different way or at a different zooms depth and different things show. But when zoomed all the way in, not every street name shows.
I will try it later! Sadly, even organic map is good but misses some good stuff or it’s not perfect
Damn, you reminded me I have to find some automation apps to disable Bluetooth/wifi based on location. Nothing foss as far as I know (tasker or automate are not foss)
I used GOS for about a year and a half, it’s pretty great. Tbh I didn’t feel I was really losing anything from the standard Android experience, but of course gaining more privacy and security.
Sandboxed Play Services works great. The only downside is you still need a Google account to use it, even if you only use the account for that purpose. And Google has really clamped down on not letting you create an account without providing a phone number.
But overall I definitely recommend GOS.
I don’t think you need a Google account to use Sandboxed Play Services in general. Maybe some specific things that require you to be logged into the Play Store but overall I can use Android Auto and other things I need without being logged in.
What did you find you needed to be logged in for?
U can change icons etc by installing different launcher fdroid has a bunch take a look through to find one u like.
There are a few apps that wont work amazon prime is one. My banking apps work but some people have had issues. Overall ive had no issues that i couldnt solve with dr gpt. Would reccommend.
I tried a few launchers and NeoLauncher is the one I’m currently using. Lawnchair has something I didn’t like but I don’t remember what lol
Looking to degoogle myself too. For the maps, Here we go is a german brand. I know it’s not foss but being german, they have to follow GDPR which, I guess, is better than google anyways.
I would like to compare it to another non-foss app: Waze
I think it’s better that maps but I don’t know
Google bought Waze 11 years ago, it’s been part of Google Maps for years now
TIL! Not gonna try it then, thank you
I want to de-Google my life. *Buys Google phone…
They point out in the post thats its refurbished so Google gets no money from them purchasing it.
This reply is very ignorant and you are not adding anything to the conversation, just being unnecessarily toxic.
What google makes on phonesales is nothin to what they make of your data so your argument is flawed
Like someone else said: its a refurbished and google gets no money, I’ll install GrapheneOS so google gets even less from me
The comment also assumes that you even care if Google made a profit on the sale.
I for one think that “voting with your dollar” is (neo)liberal, individualistic politics that produce almost nothing aside from feel-good vibes. And I’m not the only one to think it: “Voting With Your Dollars” Is an Antidemocratic Illusion
Thank you for the article, I added to my reading list!
The only answer is getting a phone from a manufacture that is not google or a major brand, that runs linux. linux on mobile devices from what i’m told is not a mature product yet.
You may also want to check out Murena. I have a fai-phone 5 with thier E/OS on it, I’m very happy with it, and 100% google-free.
While it looks good, maybe it’s my ignorance but it feels like you’re replacing Google with somebody else that will have the same power over you, am i mistaken? I am very much against the “all your eggs in one basket” approach after Google so not sure if replacing it with these people won’t be a repeat of the same thing
I certianly agree with your concern in principle, but I also think that not all corporations are evil by default. It’s important to be sceptical, but in my experience the e/OS is extremely privacy and user focused.
They partner with fairphone, they support some older hardware (etc. Samsung galaxy S7), and they have an installer app and installation intructions complete with the OS files freely available.
You even do not have to use a murena account to use the phone at all. If you perfer, you can get your apps 100% from APKs & F-Droid, and Murena doesn’t know you exist.
For me that’s enough.