• neatchee@lemmy.world
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    24 days ago

    This is incredibly reductive and makes us look like idiots who don’t understand “intent”.

    I get it, fuck cars, but this is ridiculous and only serves to make us look like a joke

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      24 days ago

      “Oops, my foot slipped on the wrong pedal.”

      Intent without confessions and manifestos may not be that easy to prove.

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        23 days ago

        They’re not comparable.

        If I’m at a firing range, where it is expected that people are carrying guns and ammunition, I can pull the same “oops, my finger slipped” excuse.

        Similarly, if I drive my car around the side of your house and into your back yard to run you over, I can’t claim “my foot slipped”.

        Seriously, stop with the mental gymnastics. We don’t need to reach for more reasons to say “fuck cars.” There are plenty within arms reach

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            23 days ago

            See, THAT is a reasonable, thoughtful argument. Yes, the density of cars in our cities is dangerous.

            But there is not some epidemic of vehicular murders going unpunished.

            Rather, we have normalized living in a high risk environment. And THAT is the crux of the problem. Not law enforcement

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          You are the one doing mental gymnastics bro. What is that back yard comparison? Obviously you just swerve off the road, run him over and say you fell asleep - long day, had to work long hours to pay off my medical debt. Or have an old person run over CEOs, 80yo in cars kill people all the time because they should not be driving anymore. They always get off easy.

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          Similarly, if I drive my car around the side of your house and into your back yard to run you over, I can’t claim “my foot slipped”.

          I see one of those posts with cars crashed into houses every week somewhere. No murder charge.

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            Perhaps that’s because… There usually aren’t fatalities inside the home???

            Like, not only is it a giant, loud object that can be seen coming in many cases, but the impact with the house exterior dissipates a huge portion of the energy.

            When people get killed my a car, they don’t die from the car hitting them. It’s almost always the impact with the ground that causes severe head trauma. Otherwise it’s a neck or spinal injury.

            Those types of injuries are just way, way less likely to happen when a car drives into a building.

            I’m getting really sick of people around here not showing even a modicum of logical thought and just screeching “CaRs BaD!!” every other sentence.

            Fuck cars, for a lot of reasons. We don’t need to make up new ones that are silly and illogical. We have plenty of really good reasons to say fuck cars that don’t involve bullshit claims re: murder charges or a lack thereof

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              Hey, remember that story a while back about the rich kid that “accidentally” ran his truck through a pack of cyclists trying to roll coal on them? What ended up happening to him? (To be fair, nobody died, but still, 6 people seriously injured, at least a couple of those were life changing injuries, you’d think that would be comparable severity…)

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                23 days ago

                We’re actually talking about this in another reply to my comment haha. Outcome is unknown because he was charged as a minor so literally everything is sealed but he did graduate highschool so not in prison

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        23 days ago

        Recklessness generally also works in place of intentionally. Negligence is even lower, but is often reserved for civil suits.

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      Then there’s the Sacklers pushing everyone on opioids until the US public is addicted and getting fentanyl off the street. 82,000 deaths in 2022. The trend is that number is rising.

      Was it intentional that Purdue started the epidemic? Their lobbyists pushed doctors to over prescribe them including for instances that didn’t warrant them, including material bonuses. So not really, but their shareholders really like dividends even if people have to die for them.

      Was it legal? Well, it hasn’t been made illegal yet

      See, were not looking at the true evil.

      In the case of cars, its not really the driver, but in the US, the stanglehold on transit held by big automotive and big fossil fuel. We have lots of highways (the Interstate Highway System is the biggest single project in the world) and they keep killing high speed trains and begrudge municipal transit, and parking requirements assure that every city is a sprawl of delineated asphalt.

      There’s the evil. And since its propelling the climate crisis (and we’re running out of water) it is going to kill us all.

      Too bad they threw billions at the far-right propaganda machine to push the fascist autocrat over the non-white non-male that wanted to transition to renewables.

      Guns are pushed in the US, and kept fairly unregulated by the munitions companies. Their ads imply you can’t be a real man without a loaded firearm. I never got it, but everyone male on the far-right is super sensitive about their masculinity. And they really like guns.

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        23 days ago

        🙌PREACH🙌

        These are the types of arguments we ought to be making memes about. Well reasoned, well spoken, and based in facts that are irrefutable

        Kudos. Thank you for doing “fuck cars” the right way 💪❤️

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          24 days ago

          every negative comment is not trolling. People should be able to express their dissatisfaction, constructive or not, without instantly getting labelled a “troll”.

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            Not every negative comment is trolling, but if every comment is negative then it is trolling. Or just an all around unlikable person, but most likely a troll.

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          Replying to trolls (instead of reporting and moving on with your day) is also not helping, FYI.