• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    9 months ago

    This same exact line has been thrown at leftists every election cycle for the last 50 years. The fun thing? The liberals sided with the fascists in Nazi Germany, lol.

    I never suggested that leftists shouldn’t vote for Biden over Trump, but get off your high horse and realize that what’s good for liberals is not necessarily good for leftists, and leftists have a right to complain and criticize. Liberals are not entitled to votes just because they aren’t as bad as fascists, at the end of the day both are bad.

    Again, I’m going to vote for Biden, but I’ll absolutely clown on him for being a lukewarm liberal propping up genocide as well.

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        9 months ago

        Leftists do organize, liberals are just the most entrenched party.

        Biden is not 80% success, if he was then there would be genuine Socialism in the United States.

        Being a leftist is frustrating because liberals never concede anything yet feel entitled to votes because they aren’t as evil as the other guy.

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            Because liberalism is beneficial to Capitalists, money flows towards them. Leftists have been forced to organize at grassroots levels against the powers of Capital, while liberals have had the pleasure of being bought and paid for by Capitalists.

            80% success for a leftist would be Socialism. Of course Biden is a liberal, I don’t give a shit if he’s successful as a liberal, I care about genuine improvements in material conditions for the Proletariat. Biden hasn’t been 100% bad, but he’s been far from leftist.

            Grassroots movement is how you get change. In the last 20 years, liberals are no closer to emancipation of the Proletariat.

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        Leftists do organize, do promote candidates, do campaign. The problem is that the DNC is actively hostile to true progressive movements and undercut them at every moment.

        Leftists have to look outside of the democratic process because the space alloted to them within it is purposefully ineffectual, and we often have to push the Democrats around because they’re constantly holding back reform.

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            9 months ago

            It isn’t just alternative candidates, but I should point out that there are other candidates running that absolutely deserve consideration (Cornell West strikes me as a particularly good option for leftist policies).

            If democrats want to win with leftist support, they’re going to need to try and make concessions to the caucus. A part of direct action is withholding support in order to win ground, and the democrats are absolutely not entitled to anyone’s vote. If they really believe they need to defeat fascism, then maybe they should start listening to the people telling them why they’re loosing votes.

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        9 months ago

        Dems: “LeFtIsTs DoNt OrGaNiZe BeHiNd A cAnDiDaTe”

        Leftists: organize behind a candidate

        Dems: “Yea but no” goes to court to tell leftists they do what they want fuck you