From the article:
Ogles’ resolution is tailored specifically to permit Trump to serve a third term, but not to allow three out of the four living former presidents to serve third terms.
It’s a Trump only privilege which, given the track record, could have been assumed, unfortunately.
I don’t think they want Obama running again… He whooped their ass twice.
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It obviously won’t get close to passing but it would be incredible for Democrats if it did. He has zero margin in the House, nothing major is passing into law except tax cuts. All his executive order policies are inflationary.
So either he’s crashing the economy, taking the blame for continued inflation, or getting nothing of consequence done. And he’d be 83 and asking for four more years. He’d get crushed.
We’ve played this game twice now. Let’s not try a third game of fascism chicken
That said Obama vs trump would be a funny campaign. “My fellow Americans, look at this absolute buffoon. You want proof I’m a natural born citizen? I’ve been stuck here with him too.”
This amendment’s wording wouldn’t allow Obama or Clinton to run again. Only Trump.
He has never won as the incumbent.
And while i think he’d struggle in that scenario I’ve gotten very wary of people (myself included) thinking “he can’t possibly win in this scenario” because that’s twice now been the prelude to defeat. Wheras in 2020 he was taken as a serious threat from the start
That was one race, and during a pandemic that probably would have lost the race for any incumbent, whether it made logical sense or not.
Frankly I kind of wish he won his second term if he had to get another term at all. His bruised ego over losing, fear of legal consequences, and time away to stew on this have made him a far more dangerous president than last time.
I miss having this level of certainty that he has no chance.
He will use Musk’s money, again, to cheat, again, in my opinion.
Of course he will wreck the rather healthy US economy and break the unemployment record again, which he currently holds from his 1st term.
The Right has outgrown their use for masks.
To amend the United States Constitution, a proposed amendment must be approved by Congress and ratified by three-fourths of the states. The process is outlined in Article V of the Constitution.
Congress: A two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate is required
Constitutional convention: Two-thirds of state legislatures must call for a convention
Ratification: Three-fourths of state legislatures or conventions must ratify the amendment
Each state legislature must vote on the amendment in an up-or-down vote
State legislatures cannot change the language of the amendment
This is DOA
Seriously. It’s obviously abhorrent, but thankfully as of now there’s zero chance of it passing. Save your energy for the many things that warrant shock and disgust.
Seems more like someone sucking up to Trump rather than something they realistically believe they could get passed
That’s a really dangerous way of thinking. We can no longer normalize this stuff by going “it’ll never actually happen.” It CAN happen. Get your head out of the sand and stop minimizing the very real threat our democracy is facing.
What democracy? We’ve been living in a police state our entire lives. Talk about a dangerous way of thinking, ffs, how many hundreds of thousands of people were murdered under the Bush administration alone, and you act like that was just healthy democracy? Why were Bush and Obama on the same page about the erosion of our civil liberties and global imperialism? I swear, some of you are just miles from the correct explanation.
This one won’t happen though. It doesn’t have the votes. It would require a Constitutional amendment, and thus a LOT of Democrats on board.
You can’t freak out about every possible thing.
When every possible thing is this fucking freaky, we can indeed freak out about them.
And we were all overreacting about Roe v Wade. “Precedent”, “established law”, “checks and balances”. It could never happen, they said.
I really would like to see some of those checks and balances I’ve heard so much about. Must have gotten confused—it’s cheques for the rich, on our dime, to make their balance keeps going up.
Yeah there is less than zero percent chance this happens.
Reminder that they control all branches of government and can do whatever the hell they want.
Even though I partially agree that it’s probably somebody sucking up instead of them passing a “remove all term limits” bill instead.
Or maybe they’re just testing the waters and compliance of the people currently elected, heck if I know.
Wonderful idea, I can’t wait for a third Obama term.
It’s written to exclude Obama.
It’s written specifically to exclude Bush, Clinton, and Obama, Trump is the only person it can apply to.
God damn. I’ve never seen a group of people lick asshole so hard and ask for seconds. These people box Trump’s tonsils digging that tongue so far in it’s unbelievable
As planned, the stunlock proceeds
It’s impressive how hard these people lick boots.
But also how shameless they are, doing it in full public view
And the gargling too
And the gagging also
Good fucking luck with that hurdle.
They need a two-thirds vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate; or a conventio called by Congress at the request of two-thirds of the state legislatures. Then it has to be ratified by the legislatures of three-quarters of the states.
Even if they managed a super majority on both sides of Congress for Trumplefuck, there’s no way they’re getting 38 States to agree to that.
I don’t think the law is a restricting factor for the trump regime.
That’s what the Trump regime wants us to think.
Laws only apply if they are enforced.
Which is why I often find myself saying the Trump admin will face one of two types of justice: vigilante or none.
It’s sad that you guys still think the rule of the constitution is some massive roadblock that they’ve somehow missed. They literally made an Executive Order that just says “No” to the very first sentence of the 14th amendment, do you think none of them noticed? They get to have a vote about ludicrous things, and they get to gleefully destroy the lives of any Republican who dares vote against them. Maybe it gets struck down for the time being? Who cares, the courts are packed, they can realistically just start killing people pretty soon and it’ll start with the disloyals and the true believers as needed as it always does.
You cannot logical trap nor get off on technicalities fascists. It does not matter to them, they will just do what they want anyways, all that matters is if they can crush anyone who tries to stop them.
They are pushing the boundaries of the conversation and they are testing the waters, and every time they’re pushed back on they use the limp push back to consolidate more power because nobody has been willing to actually stop them.
With all due respect, that is some real defeatist dog shit. Yes, Trump and cronies have no respect for the constitution or the rule of law. But if we collectively roll over at the first fascist executive order, that’s exactly what they want us to do… They are testing the waters. The supreme court is packed, but every circuit court in the country certainly isn’t. And that’s where these battles are already being fought. We need to collectively resist every encroachment, every power grab. Otherwise we’re nearly as culpable as Trump for the rise of fascism.
If you aren’t willing to kill them then they will inch forward until they win. That is why civil wars have existed.
Violence isn’t the only way to fight fascism. It’s surely a way. But the courts and the school districts are two early battle grounds where folks are already pushing back (non-violently) and preventing some of that inching forward.
Preventing some, some of the time, is how you get here, inch by inch, and eventually earlier wins become future losses.
Look at it this way… We have a portfolio of tools to fight fascism. Sometimes, yes, the proper response to a specific incursion is direct action. Sometimes you can accomplish more with other means (fighting back in the courts, etc.). It doesn’t have to be all or nothing, and in fact I’d argue you accomplish the most by picking your tools wisely for each battle.
There are only two tried and true methods I am aware of to stop fascists:
- Killing them
- Making them kill themselves
I’m going to enjoy seeing this comment get removed. I’ll think about it as I’m put on the train to the death camp.
I think the logic is sound… If anyone is allowed to introduce legislation against established reforms infinitely many times, you get gish galloped to death and they will eventually get their way no matter how terrible the idea is. Because it’s a deep ideology, you must get rid of the person to get rid of the idea.
Trump is the candidate during next election
Red States let him be an option even though they shouldn’t
He wins enough red States to have a majority
They name him president even though it’s against the Constitution
The supreme Court is packed with his picks so they don’t do anything about it
Tada! Civil war? Dissolution of the USA? Who knows!?!
This.
We need to stop acting like the norms matter at all, like the rules still apply. We must treat this like what it is: a threat to our very survival.
The US government, at least the parts that actually could do something about this, are on the brink of total collapse or dismantlement. I hate to say it but I think the time for peaceful resistance is long since past, i don’t see any way this is going to end without bloodshed
Trump is ruling by executive order and no one is stopping him from doing any of it, constitutional or not.
He’ll just issue an executive order to lower the threshold and at best that order gets challenged and goes to the SCOTUS, and we all know what will happen there.The only effective short-term roadblocks are going to be legal challenges, like the ones WA’s governor and AG have been preparing for. You’re right that this only works until it gets overturned by SCOTUS, and it doubly hurts progressives because we now have to spend resources (time and money) fighting nonsense instead of fighting for causes we want…like some goddamn healthcare.
Delay. Deny. Depose.
There’s already an injunction against one of his orders. I’m sure more will come.
Unfortunately those are only for the states that filed suit against it.
The Night of the Long Knives would like to have a word with you
It’s obviously completely performative, this is a very common move in US politics in general, I’ve noticed–introducing a bill they know is definitely not going to pass, but makes them look good to their base.
It’s cute how so many in the comments think the legal checks will prevent this. They don’t care about the law or the Constitution in the same way they don’t care about optics, hypocrisy, decorum, or process. People keep viewing this through the lense of American democracy. None of that matters to fascists.
I can’t like this comment enough!!! When will we learn they DON’T PLAY BY THE RULES. If the magats want this to pass, they will manipulate, intimidate, bend, or break the rules to do it. This is how coups happen. They don’t sit down and ask nicely, they just DO IT and back it up with military force if they have to.
Yeah, people don’t seem to truly understand this, and I fear it will take something extreme before they do… And it’s likely already too late now, let alone by then.
They care about the law the same way the nazi’s cared about the law until the night of the long knives. I suspect their mass deportation plan is really them gearing up for the night of the long knives 2.0.
Night of broken glass comes first.
Wait for them to loot and pillage “immigrant” owned businesses.
We do not call it Reichskristallnacht anymore. We call it Novemberprogrome.
After four years of them being in power, he’ll probably just be able to…not leave, regardless of any election. Who would stop him?
The constitution says he’s no longer president Jan 20.
The Constitution is just a piece of paper unless someone enforces it.
Presumably someone with better aim than the last shooter.
I’d be very careful as a wannabe dictator in a land with this many guns. The next four years are going to be tense for everyone.
Trump even said he shouldn’t have left in 2020. So think that is the plan already.
In the end, the country isn’t a democracy. It’s a complicated system with complicated interactions.
It’s really not impossible that a democracy turns into fascism.
Thought about that regarding the current events in Germany. If people democratically vote for fascism, that’s still a democratic vote. Only the outcome might be less democratic (or not at all) but at least once people choose this path willingly, following democratic rules.
At the end it’s perfectly legal to do this. The question is more if it’s good or bad. It maybe even stupid. But here we are.
But then we would not be a democracy and being a democracy is written into the constitution.
True, never looked into the protective mechanisms in our constitution. But I bet there is a way to change these mechanisms, once you are the reigning political power.
Will have to research on that.
They care so little they’re trying to get an amendment passed… wait.
“It is imperative that we provide President Trump with every resource necessary to correct the disastrous course set by the Biden administration,” Ogles said in a statement
so Biden created a bad situation for him in 4 years, yet he thinks Trump needs 8 years to undo it. Sounds like a skill issue to me.
In order for it to pass, they need 290 votes in the House. The Republicans currently have 220 votes, so they would need 70 Democrats to flip.
Then it goes to the Senate where they need 67 votes. First, 60 to get past the inevitable filibuster, and with 53 votes, Republicans need 7 Democrats to flip to move it forward and 14 to pass it.
Then, the fun part, they need 38 states to ratify it. Trump did win 31 states, so he would still need 7 Harris states to ratify an amendment.
Nah. They’re just gonna say “whachu gonna do about it” as he sits in the office for the third time. Or the richest men in the world backing the regime will just
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@HasturInYellow And the one behind him.
Oh, but that would lack decorum.
This is going to be the only answer, I’m afraid.
Watch yourself. SCOTUS says he can legally have seal team 6 come to your house and kill you.
Don’t forget, he’ll sit in his office with his private army of proud boys surrounding him after he pre pardons them for shooting anyone who dares approach their precious leader.
This thread is reminding me of the movie Civil War that I watched recently
“Mr. President, i still need a quote.”
“Don’t let them kill me!”
“…that’ll do.”
Exactly. He already tried that once, he’ll fucking do it again.
Lol cute.
Good job guys, you saved Palestine!
Why are y’all still fighting about this? Your farce of an election is over, what purpose does this ceaseless bickering serve?
Fuck you, that wasn’t why Trump won. It was because Dems offer nothing but the avoidance of something worse.
I’m outraged at the genocide and voted for Biden anyway. People can be mad at Dems and demand better without being responsible for their failure.
The avoidance of all of this is probably the single most motivating thing in existence. Implying otherwise is strange.
You don’t sleep in your actively burning home because none of the local hotels tickle your fancy.
Which is why I voted for the lady who refused to condemn genocide. What are you arguing?
Dems are center right. They have been for a long time because of cold war propaganda and brainwashing. That doesn’t mean I won’t vote against fascism. It means we need better alternatives.
The American people failed.
This was fucking advertised. This was chosen. This was voted for.
Stupidest populous on earth.
I’m with you until the last sentence. Fewer than 50% of American voters voted for Trump.
Two thirds of Americans were fine with Trump being elected.
How is any of this “chosen” when everything is gerrymandered and rigged?
Our biggest fault was being the frog who stayed in the water while it was heating up. We have just slowly been giving up freedoms with a little fuss but not enough to matter. We need to learn to say no firmly and with conviction.
Gerrymandering doesn’t exist in your presidential election.
The majority of Americans supports - or at the very least is neutral towards - Trump. You can blame this on a lot of factors such as misinformation and lack of education but this doesn’t change the general attitude.
Lol what do you think the electoral.college is???
The electoral college has bias towards states with lower populations but it’s not gerrymandering.
Gerrymandering is specifically drawing district borders to guarantee victory with a minority of votes.
The US presidential election would be gerrymandered if some states decided to go through mitosis to get more electoral votes for their party.
Something like 49% of eligible voters voted for Trump. And many eligible voters don’t vote. So no, factually, you are incorrect. A lot of people here are too poor to give a shit about politics and are completely unengaged.
Many eligble voters don’t vote
People who don’t vote either cannot vote due to discrimination or don’t vote because they are neutral towards the winner:
Overall, 10% of Americans are what we call Bystanders, or the politically disengaged, according to Pew Research Center’s Political Typology report. None of this cohort say they’re registered to vote, and none say they follow government and public affairs most of the time.
If you don’t care about politics, you are not opposed to Trump.
Any obstacles to electing someone else could have easily been overcome.
If “Did Not Vote” was a candidate:
This was completely preventable.
Anyone downvoting you is an idiot. This is exactly the situation the American people have been in.
