edit: muting this thread, goodbye.
Me; new here thinking “hexbear” is the furry server… Oh…
Well I was half right
Welcome back!
Lol at the 4 losers who downvoted every comment somebody from hexbear made. Just block the instance if you’re this mad.
Finally! This place just isn’t the same without pics of pigs shitting on their own balls.
This person gets it
I sure do! Goes to show reading Marxist theory is overrated…
Reading theory is fine. You won’t become a leninist
Nooooo please read theory… 🫠
I even have an introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list if you want somewhere to start…
i won’t pretend it’s perfectly done but you know hexbear is a left unity instance that explicitly welcomes anarchists, yeah?
While I have seen one or two anarchists post messages there, if I see a hexbear account, I do pretty much assume they are Leninist-Marxist, or at least very comfortable among LM’s. I don’t spend much time there, though, so perhaps that’s an unfair prejudice.
or at least very comfortable among [MLs]
well yes, such is the nature of co-existing in a left unity space. anyway our anarchists are definitely a minority but they’re about. i can think of at least one prominent mod who is a proud anarchist and i know there are others as well (admittedly this is not the sort of thing i would ordinarily keep track of tbh)
Why are you swapping Lenin and Marx? Nobody calls themselves an LM, I’ve never seen anyone write it that way.
I used to, actually! If more people in general read Anarchist theory, the world would probably be a much better place. That being said, I do prefer Marxism. Thanks for sharing!
Do you have pointers to help me understand what makes you prefer Marxism? I know there’s been a bunch of discourse on it already, and this probably isn’t the spot where we resolve it, but I’m relatively new to leftism and am interested in learning more.
Short(ish) version I have for preferring anarchism to Marxism:
My ultimate end goal is that everyone ascend Maslow’s hierarchy of needs and self actualize.
Self actualization requires freedom, agency, and control over things you care about. Pursuing self actualization is hard, though, and human brains want to be lazy.
I’m anti-capitalist, but a positive of (small-scale) capitalism is that it incentivizes individuals to think, “What should exist, but doesn’t? What can I do that others would like?” and then actually go do it. Our aim should be to encourage those types of actions, but with an incentive structure that doesn’t result in… this.
My concern is that a centralized state will result in folks voluntarily giving up their agency over stuff administered by the state, since it’s easier than feeling ownership of it. Over time, I worry this would would atrophy individuals’ agency and result in a kind of bystander effect, where folks look for the state to do things for them.
Thanks for asking! I’m going to oversimplify, so please, feel free to ask for elaboration!
For starters, I generally agree that values like freedom and agency are important. I personally believe that this isn’t a choice we can make, though, but is a product of our material conditions and resources. The best path to happiness is to improve production and to do so along a cooperative and democratic plan.
The reason I am a Marxist (specifically ML) is because Marx simply makes the most compelling arguments for how to get there, and why, as well as the existence of real Marxist aligned societies we can see in action. His observations like markets naturally centralizing and developing the tools for planning makes sense, we just need to nationalize large firms and key industries, and gradually fold the small firms in as they grow into large firms.
What you describe as a problem may happen, but not likely at a systemic level in a manner that cannot be addressed.
I tried to get AI to generate it for me but it’s just not the same.
It’s about time they showed up, during trans day of visibility no less 😌
nature is healing
There is a spectre is haunting Lemmy — the spectre of hexbear . All the powers of new lemmy have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre
- glad federation is working again!
Move to an instance that defederates then, and move on? I’m not the biggest fan by any mean, but this kind of posts is just calling for some instance slapstick fights in the comments
For a list:
- https://lemmy.ca/ for a North American instance
- https://sopuli.xyz/ for a European one
it won’t work, they defederated us and I still see their cancer here.
I get what you’re saying, but this is mostly a joke.
There is some cool people there.
We always come in peace! …at firstIf it’s a joke, that’s all good. It’s just that some other people don’t make jokes, they try to hide instance beefing messages in some memes, and that usually just brings negativity in the comments.
There are a few users that come to mind with that, haha. Seems drama baiting is all they do, whether it be by making anti-Marxist memes to draw on drama, or by constantly reposting everything that gets posted on Lemmy.ml on other comms.
Seriously, 90% of it would probably die down if those accounts stopped. Especially ironic is that seemingly the most anti-Hexbear people are the least capable of describing their overall political views, which IMO explains the counter-productive behavior.
Agreed. You’re free to not like the way an instance or community is run, just contribute to others.
You’re right, I dislike people who deliberately put instance beefing memes onto ml and grad just to annoy them, its like poking a hornets nest.
I know, won’t someone think of the poor tankies? Tankies are the most oppressed demographic on Lemmy. Not like those privileged trans people with their own whole instance
I get your point, but at the same time, I feel its just better to leave them by themselves.
Also, I dislike the tankies there, but there is other cool people on the instance.
When Hexbear sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending other cool people. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing flamewars. They’re bringing spam. They’re brigaders. And some, I assume, are good people.
There is instances which block them.
It’s a reference to one of the taglines that appears when using hexbear.net. Visit the link, then look at the top (may not work on mobile apps). Refresh, and you’ll get a different blurb.
And here I thought it was a reference to a Trump speech
Ohh, I had seen those before.
Yep! My favorite is the one that has a hypothetical future Soviet America, written as a POV, and someone gets home from work and a random Hexbear user calls them a revisionist, lmao
If I join lemmy.ca and my country invades them will they kick my red blooded american ass out
We’re against genocide so we’ll spare you when the time happens.
Don’t have a problem with what instance you’re on as long as you’re respectful I’ll be respectful back
I totally agree. But that instance is slightly notorious for brigading threads.
They got like 6 people in here doing just that.
A brigade is when you’re one of the oldest and most active instances and continue to use the federated website.
hi it’s me here to brigade a post that appeared in my feed
You have brigaded my inbox. Now you will receive one in return
mods halp they’re doing a brigaderinoI’d help, but i’ve forgotten my password to my original account… I think i made one when it was chapo.chat, so it’s gone right?
should still exist
If you could dig it up, it would still work
We just have a lot of active users. Brigading doesn’t happen when the feeds show up organically.
I get what you mean, and I see the brigading emoji (all/active), but I do feel like hex and grad are both very argumentative, and I don’t usually see you guys participating in other non-political communities or threads either which leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
hex and grad are both very argumentative
i mean we are communists…honestly if you think we’re bad towards y’all you should see some of our more heated discussions amongst ourselves; the only people leftists are more vicious towards than fascists and their enablers are leftists who very slightly disagree with them lol.
don’t usually see you guys participating in other non-political communities
possibly that’s because we have comms for a lot of those things (sports, games, movies, anime, etc) and tend to use those instead but that’s just a guess. i won’t speak for anyone else but i find a lot of the memes and stuff on lemmy are a little reddit-flavored for me so i don’t usually engage (since i don’t want to just go in and shit on people having a harmless good time or w/e)
Not to overwhelm you with comments, but most Hexbear and Grad users tend to stay on Hex and Grad for non-political content, funny enough. Check out Hex’s general megathreads, or the gaming comm, etc.
As someone who made a Hexbear alt (not the other way around), it’s a far more pleasant space to relax, IMO. Plus, Communists tend to all be political nerds to begin with.
It’s infinitely better for political stuff too.
Interesting post subjects and comments. (more on grad)
lemm.ee or .world is 95% "look what stupid irrelevant thing Musk or Trump said now! "
Not much different from any MSM. Annoying and boring mostly.Yep, agreed!
That makes sense, but it does give the impression that they only brigade.
Though, I can’t think of a single time I have seen a hexbear user outside of hexbear on a non-political thread.I see them usually on non-political Lemmy.ml threads, if you avoid them then that explains it. Hexbear keeps a small federation list to protect its marginalized users from harrassment, and also to carve out a uniquely Leftist space.
I thought hex originally federated with everyone, but when they started refederating they chose an allow-list. Am i wrong? I know that lemmy.world blocked them, which is where a lot of non-political content is.
You can just admit you don’t know how federation works
Hey man, I think you’re taking this slightly too seriously.
I undestand federation, I have been on the fediverse for two-three years, and have built stuff using activitypub.
If you think they’re “brigading” you clearly don’t understand how federation works
How come they don’t “brigade” normal threads? only political ones.
90% of threads are pretty boring. Most of the memes posted on Lemmy are the kinds of things I would expect from /r/memes. On the political threads people often make claims that are simply false (i.e. claiming that Marxists or ‘tankies’ love the Russian Federation) so naturally Hexbear will show up to contradict that stuff. You’d be hard pressed to find us organizing “brigades,” we literally just have a unified ideological line that we’re experienced in defending so when we see something that’s easily disproven we disprove it.
Hexbear is a higly politicised instance, it makes sense that people from there are mainly interested in politics and would mostly interact with those posts.
They don’t “brigade” anything, they’re federated
While fine in concept, there are certain things that shouldn’t be respected, and that’s where the
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Oh, my sweet summer child.
I’m glad my feed has been pretty drab with them gone
Same, but I can’t seem to get Voyager to actually do instance blocking. It has the option, but it seems to not work.
gotta brighten that feed up!
I just blocked the whole instance as soon as the option was implemented. There were few good posts/comunities from it, but overall better to block it whole.
Do be aware of the limitations of user blocking though.
Somehow I can’t block it using Voyager, the only instance appearing is
test.hexbear.net. Any idea why?SJW blocks them already.
SJW? Social Justice Warrior? Is that an instance?
sh.itjust.works shit just works
That should be SIW…
It’s “Shit Just Works”
It is Sh.Itjust.Works and the joke has now been improved by an explanation.
Shh… It just works.
@sh.itjust.works
Really? Last time they federated with us they’re the ones who ended up defederating and I thought that was the end of it
They’re mutally defederating.
That explains why so many hexbear defenders in SJW comms are on different instances (usually .ml). They literally can’t see those comms from their hexbear accounts.
I can access hexbear communities, at https://sh.itjust.works/instances only
test.hexbear.netis listed which leads to 502 anyway. Am I doing something wrong?Probably an issue on sh.itjust.works’s end, though Hex blocks it so they won’t see anything on your end even if you do get in.
If you want to see what it’s about, just visit hexbear.net directly.
It makes sense, all the posts I find from hexbear are a couple of months old. It is a bit annoying, because when I hit explore in Voyager and sort by size, thalf of the communities are from hexbear… Maybe @[email protected] has an idea why it behaves like this?
I tried removing a bunch of the old hexbear communities. Did that help at all?
Also sorting communities by total subscribers is a bad system. It’s more useful to sort by monthly active users imo.
You can use lemmyverse to sort by active users.
Hexbear used to be federated with sh.itjust.works. if you defederate, the old posts still continue to exist, hence the communities also still continuing to show.
Check the blocked tab. Also, when servers defed, old posts and comms stay behind.
I’m actually getting pissed, I have hexbear.net and test.hexbear.net both instance blocked in Voyager but can still see these cretins comments. I could tag them all but that would take forever.
Edit: Fuck it, just blocking them when I see them.
Instance blocking blocks the comms, not the users. You will have to block every user you see if you’re reflexively anti-Hexbear, or move to an instance defederated from them entirely.
That’s so fucking lame. I didn’t know how good I had it this whole time. But I am absolutely petty enough to block every user from there.
I believe you.
I’d recommend you go to an instance that blocks hex, like lemmy.ca or sopuli.xyz.
I’m not giving up my account because of Nazis. I’ll block every one of them if I have to.
I mean why do they make you that mad they’re usually pretty cool
If you find their behavior cool… Cool is defined by society, usually.
Most do not find their behavior remotely cool. They’re absolute hypocritical dissent censoring liars, as a majority.
What is cool to you?
They’re anti-capitalist and militantly pro LGBTQ+. What’s not to like?
Open support of dictatorships, for starters.
They’re not honest about their political policies in the slightest.
Lying about everything and censorship of dissent. This really is the icing.
If their ideologies are pure and right, why do they need to silence conversation with imaginary pretenses?
You’re misrepresenting the actuality of the environment you’re promoting…
Few may be decent, though the experience of most non trolling has been, the instance is overrun and managed by a lot of narcissistic, hypercritical, and toxic individuals.
they’re usually pretty cool
oh boy how i love having the entire discussion thread be derailed by a bunch of angry hexbears spamming stickers
If you want to sit at the table with Nazis, that’s up to you, I have no room for them.
Equating Communists to Nazis is a form of Nazi apologia. I suggest you read Blackshirts and Reds.
Nazis???
In what universe are these people Nazis???
Your account is almost 2 years old so you’re either on an instance that hasn’t shown you their shit, you’re ignorant to the real world and how this has been playing out time and time again, or you’re intentionally pretending to not see them for what they are.
Communists are far-left, Nazis are far-right. These are diametrically opposed, and are why the Soviets were the most effective anti-Nazi force in World War II, responsible for 90% of Nazi deaths. The Nazis are the most effective anticommunists, that’s why they targeted German Communists first, in both the famous “first they came for” poem and in real life.
Hexbear are Communists, full-stop.
No, my instance has always federated with them and I have not had any problems with Hexbear. They can be loud and boisterous when prompted but as far as Nazi-ism? They are leftists I’m truly confused at what you’re on about. Could you be any more specific?
Accurate as I am Carcosa after all and you are glimpsing the truth that a better world is possible.
as I am Carcosa after all
“Capitalism is not the end!”
LPT - you don’t have to give any fucks about who or what “hexbear.net” is, instead you can have a life.
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