From a German point of view, ICE came out of nowhere.
After checking, i figured that they exist for quite a while, but they never had the “authority” and “power” they like to show off nowadays. These were things Trump gave them.
They seem pretty much unhinged.
Are they even trained for the things they are doing or is it more comparable to trump giving a mediocre security agency and it’s mostly scummy staff the power to do what they want?
ICE does not distinguish much between applicants who have completed high school and applicants with college education. Like the US military, most applicants do not have college degrees.
The lengthy application process and rigorous training historically rejects over 70% of prospective agents.
Training is at an academy with mandatory residence requirements. It’s 40 hours a week for 18 weeks and includes physical fitness, Spanish language, defensive maneuvers, de-escalation techniques, extensive federal law, weapon skills, and cultural training. There are several exams, and many new hires don’t complete training. Everyone has to be pepper-sprayed in order to understand how serious it is, and it is emphasized that use of force is always a last resort.
After graduation, new ICE agents serve a one year probationary period while being paired with a seasoned agent, for a more effective means of training.
OPINION
There is a hierarchy within federal law enforcement agencies; generally speaking, ICE agents are the least respected. The recent behavior of ICE agents is absolutely a reflection of the Trump administration.
I guess, things like cultural training and de-escalation techniques will soon be replaced with
cult training and escalation techniques, respectively.
When i was 10 and home alone, i found pepper spray in my moms bag. I understood right there how serious it is. I did what any 10 year old kid would do, but luckily didn’t spray it straight in my face. I sprayed it around like an air refresher and the moment i got some sprinkles on my face, in my eyes, i knew i fucked up.
ICE training is famously brief. They are not trained in laws or legal structures. They are effectively federal local cops, if that makes sense (it probably doesn’t since you’re German, so let me try to explain it a different way)
In the United States many police departments prefer police officers without college education or strong critical thinking skills. ICE is one of them. ICE officer agents are selected for their tendency towards violence and a willingness to execute orders without fail or question. The goal is for them to simply not be able to incriminate themselves in a court of law by way of they simply didn’t know the law. The further goal is that when the right circumstances arrive they’ll just follow orders with a near mad sense of duty without any form of ethics getting in the way of stopping them.
To really drive home for you who ICE is, as a German. ICE is a bunch of Adolf Eichmanns all running around with big high capacity guns and zip ties
Moreover every time they do these hiring pushes they end up with handfuls of cartel members that just open gates to their friends, help with murder so on and so forth. They made it so much easier to get in now that they lowered hiring standards and reduced background checks.
credit scores have been around a long time. it just used to be secret bullshit, not something you can literally track in realtime yourself like today. (it’s still mostly secret bullshit, they just let you see a ‘score’ now).
From a German point of view, ICE came out of nowhere.
After checking, i figured that they exist for quite a while, but they never had the “authority” and “power” they like to show off nowadays. These were things Trump gave them.
They seem pretty much unhinged.
Are they even trained for the things they are doing or is it more comparable to trump giving a mediocre security agency and it’s mostly scummy staff the power to do what they want?
A relatively unbiased answer to your questions:
FACTS
ICE does not distinguish much between applicants who have completed high school and applicants with college education. Like the US military, most applicants do not have college degrees.
The lengthy application process and rigorous training historically rejects over 70% of prospective agents.
Training is at an academy with mandatory residence requirements. It’s 40 hours a week for 18 weeks and includes physical fitness, Spanish language, defensive maneuvers, de-escalation techniques, extensive federal law, weapon skills, and cultural training. There are several exams, and many new hires don’t complete training. Everyone has to be pepper-sprayed in order to understand how serious it is, and it is emphasized that use of force is always a last resort.
After graduation, new ICE agents serve a one year probationary period while being paired with a seasoned agent, for a more effective means of training.
OPINION
There is a hierarchy within federal law enforcement agencies; generally speaking, ICE agents are the least respected. The recent behavior of ICE agents is absolutely a reflection of the Trump administration.
https://www.ice.gov/doclib/about/offices/ero/pdf/ice_d_handbook.pdf
Thanks for the PDF.
I guess, things like cultural training and de-escalation techniques will soon be replaced with cult training and escalation techniques, respectively.
When i was 10 and home alone, i found pepper spray in my moms bag. I understood right there how serious it is. I did what any 10 year old kid would do, but luckily didn’t spray it straight in my face. I sprayed it around like an air refresher and the moment i got some sprinkles on my face, in my eyes, i knew i fucked up.
ICE training is famously brief. They are not trained in laws or legal structures. They are effectively federal local cops, if that makes sense (it probably doesn’t since you’re German, so let me try to explain it a different way)
In the United States many police departments prefer police officers without college education or strong critical thinking skills. ICE is one of them. ICE officer agents are selected for their tendency towards violence and a willingness to execute orders without fail or question. The goal is for them to simply not be able to incriminate themselves in a court of law by way of they simply didn’t know the law. The further goal is that when the right circumstances arrive they’ll just follow orders with a near mad sense of duty without any form of ethics getting in the way of stopping them.
To really drive home for you who ICE is, as a German. ICE is a bunch of Adolf Eichmanns all running around with big high capacity guns and zip ties
That’s exactly the impression i had.
Moreover every time they do these hiring pushes they end up with handfuls of cartel members that just open gates to their friends, help with murder so on and so forth. They made it so much easier to get in now that they lowered hiring standards and reduced background checks.
Ignorance of the law is not a defense unless you are enforcing the law.
Classic rules for thee but not for me type shit
I am a millennial, and I am older than ICE, and credit scores - for what that’s worth.
Credit scores have been around since the '50s. Maybe you’re thinking of what is specifically the FICO score.
yea, I think you must be right. thank you for the correction. I’m not that old quite yet, just feeling that way.
You and me both.
credit scores have been around a long time. it just used to be secret bullshit, not something you can literally track in realtime yourself like today. (it’s still mostly secret bullshit, they just let you see a ‘score’ now).
you’re right! thank you : )