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The only sources that you’ve provided that claim genocide are opinion pieces, and none supply data that meets the UN defintion of Genocide, statements of genocidal intent and so on, without that any invasion of a sovereign country that includes mass civilian deaths is a genocide including the west’s invasions of Muslim majority countries in the past decades

My view is that state actions have to meet the UN defintion to be a genocide, if yours is looser and any killing of civilians of a certain ethnicity(if if committed by those of the same ethnicity) is a genocide in your eyes then that is a defensible position I respect, but do you apply the standard equally? i.e if you think Russia’s actions in Ukranine constitute a genocide, then you must also think the western collation’s(which included the US, UK, Ukraine and many other western countries) actions in Afghanistan and Iraq also constitute a genocide yes?

Are you aware that a third of Ukrainians are russian first language, and an even higher amount have some degree of Russian ancestry

This is the minority that was persecuted by the far right after the US backed maidan coup overthrew Ukranines’s democraticly elected government, including torture and the shelling of civilian infrastructure and residential areas by neo nazi such as Azov, tornado etc battalions this let to formation of self defence groups thst became the ‘Russian backed sepratists’ this conflict is more nuanced than portrayed in western corperate media, throwing hundreds of thousands more Ukrainians into the meat grinder for the benefit of the west does not infact benefit ukranie and the working people there, the opposite is the case,

So if we use your defintion both sides are guilty of a genocide(which is why I don’t find the loose defintion useful and why the UN sets out specific conditions to be meet)

SpaceShort@feddit.uk · 5 days ago

Russia is abducting Ukrainian children to force them to become culturally Russian. That’s cultural genocide. Also, there’s the constant bombardment of residential areas including especially medical and cultural institutions including on a children’s hospital. They’ve also been cutting off the civilian population from electricity, water, heating, communications etc.

These all parallel the start of Israel’s genocide in Gaza.

The opinion pieces I provide are from include ones from actual lawyers and scholars, not just random people and are certainly worth more than yours.

ClathrateG [none/use name]@hexbear.net · edit-2 5 days ago

1/3 of Ukraine is culturally and ethnically Russian concentrated in the east of the country aka where the conflict is taking place, regardless the transfer of children while constituting a war crime does not constitute a genocide as the ICC warrant against Putin demonstrates

I’d also argue the actions of Ukraine in persecuting the ethnically and culturally Russian minority, which besides the torture and killing includes destruction of statues and so on of russians and their removal from the states official histories, and the banning their language in education also constitute a cultural genocide by those standards.

And you didn’t answer my question, if Russia actions in Ukraine constitute a genocide by your standards, do the actions of the western collation in central asia and the middle east(which include ‘adoption’ of orphaned children by military members) also constitute one?

SpaceShort@feddit.uk · 4 days ago

By your logic, if France invaded Belgium and abducted Waloon kids to make them grow up to be Frenchmen, it wouldn’t be genocide as Waloons already speak French.

You also haven’t addressed Russia targeting civilian areas in Ukraine and destroying their infrastructure including hospitals.

When did Ukraine torture and kill ethnic Russians for being ethnic Russians? Plus removing Lenin statues, he was a dictator.

Whether the West’s actions in Afghanistan or Iraq constitute a genocide or not has no bearing on whether Russia’s actions are a genocide or not. I have no interest in defending these actions.

ClathrateG [none/use name]@hexbear.net · 4 days ago

Yes it wouldn’t be a genocide, it would be a warcrime regardless of what language either speak

I was bringing to the ethnicity of a third of Ukrainians as they have been persecuted by ukranian state, if russia actions constitute a cultural genocide then Ukraines actions agaiant this ethnicity minority certainly constitute one as well

And you haven’t addressed thw Ukranian state and it’s neither nazi battalions targeting russian majority civilian areas in the Donbass

report on torture carried out by the ukranian state and it’s security services by the UN organisation for cooperation in Europe https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf

Right so you admit to applying a double standard? Russia actions in Ukraine constitute a genocide in your eyes, bur the same actions increased in severity by the western collation do not? mmm I wonder why you hold a double standard here? white could possibly be the difference

Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]@hexbear.net · edit-2 4 days ago

By your logic, if France invaded Belgium and abducted Waloon kids to make them grow up to be Frenchmen, it wouldn’t be genocide

That wouldn’t meet the definition of genocide, no.

Plus removing Lenin statues, he was a dictator.

Haha. Imagine seriously using the word ‘dictator’. Also, Lenin and other Bolsheviks’ efforts massively improved living conditions of people in the former Russian Empire, including in Ukraine.

Also, imagine not having issues with Bandera, an enthusiastic nazi collaborator and Hitler’s pen pal.

I have no interest in defending these actions.

You are literally trying to manufacture consent for deploying NATO weapons and bars near Russia to resubjugate it (or, rather, to resubjugate it further).

Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]@hexbear.net · 4 days ago

Russia is abducting Ukrainian children

Imagine pretending that evacuating children from a war zone is ‘abduction’.

Also, there’s the constant bombardment of residential areas

That’s literally what NATO and Ukraine have been doing, in addition to other attacks against civilians and other war crimes. In addition, you are fine with Ukraine invading both Iraq and Syria.

They’ve also been cutting off the civilian population from electricity, water, heating, communications etc.

Literally done by Ukraine against Crimea.

The opinion pieces I provide are from include ones from actual lawyers and scholars

They can and often do have rather silly opinions. Look at Lemkin.

SpaceShort@feddit.uk · 4 days ago

“Imagine pretending that evacuating children from a war zone is ‘abduction’.”

Why aren’t they returning these children to their families?

“That’s literally what Ukraine have been doing”

Citation needed

“In addition, you are fine with Ukraine invading both Iraq and Syria.”

I must have missed the fanfiction in which Ukraine did that.

“Literally done by Ukraine against Crimea.”

Citation needed

“They can and often do have rather silly opinions.”

Still more trustworthy than an online weirdo defending a fascist regime.

Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]@hexbear.net · 3 days ago

Don’t have the time to respond in full currently, but

Why aren’t they returning these children to their families?

They literally are.

Still more trustworthy than an online weirdo defending a fascist regime.

I can grant you that - they are more trustworthy than you, a weirdo who is defending a genocidally racist fascist regime.