i know you hate to hear this but its all symbolic cherrypicked stuff.
did he stop the concentration camps for mexicans at the border? or the genocide in gaza? did he rollback anything that matters?
democrats always pretend to be doing shit since i remember, but don’t actually get anything done at all. then republicans inevitably come and push the country further into fascism, rinse repeat.
Your symbolic cherrypicked retort is noted. Enjoy the show.
i wont enjoy trumps victory, no.
OK, low hanging fruit, but do you know where the shift or comma keys are?
Anyway, how is student loan debt forgiveness, as an example, purely symbolic. People like you pretend it’s only symbolic stuff, point to a few instances that are, then ignore the rest.
education should never have been for-profit in the first place. making the problem then selling the solution is not exactly a hero’s endeavour.
wake me up when they are pushing for actual change in this regard. if the right is pushing for literal fascism, democrats should AT LEAST be pushing for something at all. they arent because they are another side of the same coin, in on the game.
im not worried about perfect punctuation capitalization on the internet, im sorry if that bothers you. if thats all you have to criticize then rethink it.
Lol. Sure, it shouldn’t have been the case but it is. Anyone trying to make things slightly better I guess just shouldn’t try, right? Why run a charity if the problem should never have existed? Why run a homeless shelter when no one should have been homeless? Why try to reduce the cost of medicine when no one should struggle to pay for it?
Because it diverts energy and time that could be invested into revolutionary change. Doing those things you listed aren’t bad by any means, but they’re bandaid solutions. If all we ever do is spend our time putting on bandaids, when do we have the time to replace the system that is actively harming us and build a new one?
That’s kind of assuming that there’s a single source of political will or energy, that time and energy are limited things. It’s not really on the ballot, but just kind of, as an off-hand example because I’m tired, you could think of like, what if we lowered the work week from 40 hours to 32 with the same amount of pay in the same period? Sure, not a revolutionary position to take, not an overhaul of the economy, nothing would really change. At the same time, this is a pretty big change for most people who now have three day weekends, who get better overtime pay, it’s a pretty big change for people who work two jobs, maybe one full time and one part time.
Do you think that the energy that it took to make that change, do you think it evaporated after the change happened? No, it didn’t. Now, all those people have extra hours in their day which they can then spend on pushing for more shit, for more revolutionary shit. It means they have to participate less in this system which globally exploits them. Sure, I mean, there’s a minor conflict in interest that the better you make the system, the less incentivized people are to overthrow it, but I don’t think that’s actually a serious problem. If you can abolish or reform away the police more, or pass sweeping scale-backs to the domestic military, that makes revolutionary easier, not harder. If you pass free healthcare, that means people are more free to take risks without endangering, say, their whole family with bankruptcy. The more major problem that people conflate with this is one of “fuck the police” turning into “defund the police” turning into “reform the police” turning into “fund the police”, because politics is an insane game of translation and telephone. That’s not because reformism is bad necessarily, as the other side of the coin, as the other side of “dual power”, right, it’s just because capitalism is extremely good at either absorbing or crushing revolutionary sentiments.
It’s not the core idea there that’s wrong, it’s the fact that people hear “I want fascism!”, which to them just means basically like, racism, when you tell them you want communism. Because it gets translated through the smudged lens of anticolonial revolutionary sentiment getting crushed by the CIA, and fascist states coming about in the wake, or because they equivocate communism itself as being the same as fascism, or what have you. It’s people programmed with the mechanisms by which revolutionary sentiment is absorbed almost automatically. Everyone takes the conflation by their opposition as evidence that efforts for reform are totally wasted, but I think that’s kind of bunk.
Oftentimes, it’s not even the case that the actions you would take for both, either reform or revolution, are mutually exclusive. If you want to engage in revolutionary action, joining or creating a union or political action group is sometimes the best stuff you can do. A union slashes tires and throws firebombs just as much as they negotiate, and the two are actually mutually beneficial, rather than mutually exclusive. By fucking shit up they increase the costs of not negotiating with them or ceding to their demands, and the union, by pretending to negotiate, they can waste more company resources, attempt to dispel some amount of clapback, they can attempt to slowly ratchet the company into a position where they will become completely dissolved and bought out by a co-operative. I use the example of a union here, but these same tactics could be employed really at any level.
So, uh, yeah. If I want to extend the medical metaphor, then I say like, okay, say you got shot in the arm, right. Maybe we could argue that it’s more similar to a cancer, but for this example, you’ve been shot in the arm. You do need to probably get the lead out, you do need to close the wound, you do need to examine for internal damage, maybe get a cast if it hit your bone and fractured it, yeah. But, the first course of action, if you’re not in the hospital, if you don’t have the medical knowledge, a doctor, the tools, disinfectant. The first step, if you don’t have those, is to put pressure on it, stop the bleeding, get a tourniquet in place. I.E. the first step is to basically put a band-aid on it. This is a bad metaphor, to be frank, but, yeah.
Yeah, revolutionary change takes, at this moment in time, infinite effort and time. It’s not happening until we get some smaller changes first. We need more representative voting, for one large example. Changes that make life better for people is worth doing, because then they can spend more of their time doing this that are meaningful rather than struggling to survive.
You know the world existed before you, right.
…no? never heard it did.
they need to hold shift while pressing slash for a question mark and there does seem to be commas in there right now at least
Nah. Vote for Biden. Then carry that momentum to enact change.
Not sure why so many of you folks just scream “AH, BOTH BAD. NO VOTE.” and run away babbling into the distance.
There is that legitimate third choice where we continue to push after the election. Biden has shown he will listen. Seems like a plan.
AH, BOTH BAD. NO VOTE.
i literally didnt say this. we are not saying this.
Nah. Vote for Biden. Then carry that momentum to enact change.
i vote for the leftmost candidade i can, dunno where you get the impression i dont. i just dont pretend they are giving me any momentum because the leftmost in this specific case is still a right wing genocidal maniac.
come join me at any revolutionary leftist organization, or a good union if you truly want to enact actual change. this is the momentum we need, participating in the theather wont make that much difference.
i vote for the leftmost candidate i can, dunno where you get the impression i dont. i just dont pretend they are giving me any momentum because the leftmost in this specific case is still a right wing genocidal maniac.
A right-wing genocidal maniac? You do hear yourself right. You sound like a russian troll. It reads like russian troll comments. If it also just so happens to coincidentally mirror your political position perfectly, then. Ok.
everone i disagree with is a russian troll!
Anything from the first page should have disqualified him.
Like how do people like that exist with themselves all with coming up with an opinion and just not researching it let alone questioning it for a second just to be debased in a matter of seconds. And that’s giving them the benefit of the doubt. Deep down I think they are trolling.
Like how do people like that exist with themselves
In 2016 it was reported by several places that tens of millions of Americans can’t absorb a sudden $400 expense without going further into debt. That number has grown significantly under Biden, which is why people don’t care about articulating their opinion of why he’s a bad president. (For instance, in 2023, homelessness jumped 12%)
Their lives just got harder, and that experience is all they need.
I think it’s just because the media reports the negative things that happened under Trump more loudly than they reported the positive things under Biden.
Ya think? Like how they only care about kids in cages when they don’t like the president?
Of course they are. After all the allure of spreading fake news anonymously is strong indeed. In such environment default stance is trolling and conscious effort is required to not to when there are no consequences.
they are definitely a troll and I’m with you on that. there is always a slim possibility there is someone who will read this shit and actually swallows it. So it’s exhausting when so many bots and trolls suck up time of others who are trying to run triage.
And yeah, I wish there were better and more effective consequences than ‘tell a mod’ cuz that doesn’t do shit on meta or Reddit or x
Advanced trolls are almost indistinguishable except that they seemingly drastically change opinions every other comment. Best you can do is just refute the comment as it is and quickly end it.
Just click on the username and read their comment history. It’s pretty simple.
We should train a neural network that will detect this. We have the technology. Create a profile of political views and likes of a user, and if it is too chaotic, eliminate the dissenter with a well-placed Improvised Explosive Device.
Alternatively, we can carry out a precise air strike on the subversive element. For example with a General Atomics MQ-1 Predator remotely piloted aircraft.
I think the middle person is living on the military grade hopium where there’s bound to be a revolution that solves everything, it’s just around the corner too. So why bother trying to get small wins or even slow down the worsening conditions. Revolution will fix everything.
Any day now…
There’s a chapter in uncle Bob’s book Clean Code about how everybody dreams of a grand redesign in the sky, but that it never really works out in the end.
I’m sure the same would apply to laws of society.
Quoting Uncle Bob in this context isn’t the best idea though
Is it ever? :)
There are only so many ways to get the kind of society that works, and far too many ways for it top go wrong. It’s kind of a crazy idea to think that burning it down and starting over would be beneficial.
Revolution will fix everything.
Me, living in Paris in 1926, excited about how the new commune movement will fix everything permanently
Me, moving to Shanghai two years later, because that are the odds of this happening twice?
Everybody thinks they’ll come out on top after a “revolution” but they almost certainly will not. Such chaos is far more likely to help than hurt fascists. That’s kind of their jam.
See: Iran.
Uh, US interference in Iran directly contributed to current affairs of Iran.
Correct, that’s what I’m trying to say. The chaos resulting from the US interference led to the current regime using other factions to, ultimately, get into power and quickly turn against. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
AAAAnd China.
There were a time China was stepping towards democracy, through internal CCP reform ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China#Political_reforms ):
called for the end of bureaucracy, centralisation of power as well as patriarchy, proposing term limits to the leading positions in China and advocating the “democratic centralism” as well as the “collective leadership”.
Deng emphasized that the Constitution must be able to protect the civil rights of Chinese citizens and must reflect the principle of separation of powers; he also described the idea of “collective leadership” and championed the principle of “one man, one vote” among leaders to avoid the dictatorship of the General Secretary of CCP.
Unfortunately, the pro-democracy crowd lost, because they sided with Tiananmen square student protest. Their defeat eventually leads to the Tiananmen Square massacre.
So there might be a bizarre alternative world where Tiananmen Square protest did not happen and China is now a democracy…
The pro-democracy leaders were all weakened after Tiananmen Square massacre:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhao_Ziyang
lost power for his support of the 1989 Tian’anmen Square protests.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Qili
he was purged for his sympathy toward the student protesters and his support for General Secretary Zhao Ziyang’s opposition to the use of armed force.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bao_Tong
During the 1989 Tian’anmen square protests, he was one of the very few Chinese senior officials to express understandings with the demonstrating students, which led to his arrest shortly before the June Fourth incident.
The bizarre alternative world isn’t even where the protests didn’t happen, it’s where agents of foreign governments and local fanatics didn’t hijack/build them up with the explicit goal of producing as much bloodshed as possible.
I was hoping tankies won’t have a conspiracy theory about one of the most tragic event of human kind, but I guess I overestimated humanity.
These well-educated, progressive, and ambitious students, passionated about a brighter future for China. They share the same vision and drive as the founding fathers of CCP.
Their requirements has always been clear: build a progressive democratic government in Hu Yaobang’s vision, and purge the conservatives like Li Peng from CCP, which is founded upon a progressive vision of China. Thus, they are needlessly and brutally murdered by conservatives who seek to stabilize their own power.
If you work for the CCP, I doubt I will be able to project any sense into your brain. I can only hope these word might be helpful for readers of your comments to gain some context.
Okay, I guess Chai Ling never existed and the multiple admitted connections to western regime change programs of three letter agencies are all cpc propaganda?
It’s one thing to say that the events are tragic and that it would have been good if dengist students could have implemented reforms, a sentiment I mostly agree with, it’s another entirely to suggest that there was no manipulation towards violence by people either directly or indirectly tied to western intelligence operations.
E: autocorrect dengist -> dentist where’s my denguin holding a pick hexbear emoji?
Oh true! Great point, that example slipped my mind but very on point.
Also known as accelerationism, yeah
This video is about 2020 in general, but it really encapsulates the news style Trump fostered. Just a firehose of garbage that overwhelms the senses. And it’s only gotten worse.
I believe Steve Bannon’s quote was, “flood the zone with shit.” News is by definition, new, so if you never give people a chance to talk about what happened 5 hours ago, nobody is ever pissed off for the same reason.
“flood the zone with shit.”
This is pretty much just how US media has always worked.
no, it absolutely is not.
this is a new thing, which really started with 9/11.
many people weren’t around then, 11-9 was more than 20 years ago
Many were, though. And they’re telling you that’s what happened.
this is a new thing,
I guess you don’t remember the garbage they were peddling in US media back in the 80s and 90s?
From wikipedia:
First presented in their 1988 book Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media, the propaganda model views corporate media as businesses interested in the sale of a product—readers and audiences—to other businesses (advertisers) rather than the pursuit of quality journalism in service of the public. Describing the media’s “societal purpose”, Chomsky writes, “… the study of institutions and how they function must be scrupulously ignored, apart from fringe elements or a relatively obscure scholarly literature”. The theory postulates five general classes of “filters” that determine the type of news that is presented in news media. These five classes are: ownership of the medium, the medium’s funding sources, sourcing, flak, and anti-communism or “fear ideology”.
It did intensify after 9/11 - but it was only an intensification of what was already there.
ah, I suppose I’ll concede - I was referring to the 24/7 flood of shit (which was a distinct change in intensification of the flood), but you were just meaning a flood of shit.
It’s an interesting quesiton. I would argue the launch of USA Today followed relatively closely by Fox News is what started it.
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That’s the thing, Trump did accomplish something - he showed that radicalism in a position like the president is possible. One can act like an autocrat and actually get things done. He showed that being cut throat to accomplish your political ends is possible even when in power.
Obama had a chance to put in a second Supreme Court Justice near the end of his second term, but decided it was too close to the election and wouldn’t be fair to the democratic process… Then came Trump. Trump’s accomplishment was showing the world what radical rightwing politics could do.
Now we have imitators around the world and new strains of fascism.
Many on the left feel like similar is in order on the left. So don’t blame the tankies, as they’re as much a product of the times as anything else… And it’s quite easy to want a radical leader when it’s this obvious that the system is no longer efficient at serving the will of the people… Or should I say, the will of the left.
RIP Bernie Sanders’ presidential run. Hopefully we’ll get someone similar, but we won’t get there without making the demand clear as possible.
Obama had a chance to put in a second Supreme Court Justice near the end of his second term, but decided it was too close to the election and wouldn’t be fair to the democratic process
Obama didn’t decide anything. The GOP had majority. They stonewalled his nomination.
Obama’s mistake was to not give a forced ‘thank you for your service, you deserve rest’ to RBG when DNC had majority.
Which was a social norm Obama wasn’t legally bound to follow but he chose to (and we all know Trump wouldn’t have). See the Merrick Garland section below:
Here’s a legal article saying so:
is it legally possible for President Barack Obama to make some sort of last minute move to appoint Merrick Garland to the U.S. Supreme Court? The short answer is yes. The long answer is that it would likely pose a Constitutional challenge.
Trump would have. So some people think the democrats are neither radically left, nor ruthless enough.
Their politeness is paralyzing.
You are absolutely right.
It’s laughable that Democrats pretend to be powerless when they held the presidency and Congress for two years.
they held the presidency and Congress for two years.
They never did, you fucking liar.
he showed that radicalism in a position like the president is possible
Please learn what the word “radical” means.
Did he really accomplish much, though? The only thing he did with his trifecta was passing Yet Another Tax Cut, with everything else either filibustered or voted down (ty Mr McCain). After 2018, his legislative agenda was DOA. He forced a shutdown over border wall spending, which failed. I can’t think of anything else notable legislatively.
On the executive side, he managed to unwind some regulations (that were reinstated after Biden came in) and his FCC pick repealed net neutrality, but all of the super radical stuff he tried to do got tied up in the courts for most of his term and either struck down, reduced drastically in scope, or only took effect for a short while before he left office.
The biggest thing he did was packing the supreme court, but I would argue that’s just as much due to McConnell, and any Republican president would have given us the same extremist court. All the stuff that’s uniquely Trump, like the border wall or the Muslim ban, failed miserably.
I’m not sure revoking the permitting of keystone was a good move?
I mean sure it looks good I guess but I’m not holding my breath that the White House office of gun violence prevention is going to stop mass shootings.
All this stuff is designed to sound good on paper but then what’s the real impact?
Yeah, what could canceling 144 billion Dollars in student loan debt do?
Yeah that would make my life significantly better. Has that passed the courts yet?
You mean the challenge from the republiQans? That you’re siding with?
Here’s how Biden defied the Supreme Court to cancel $144 billion in student loans
Yeah. Now what do you have to say. Let me guess, it’s not enough.
“President Joe Biden unveiled another round in his steady drip of student debt write-offs on Thursday, announcing that 78,000 public sector workers would not have to repay $6 billion in loans. … Biden’s previous loan cancellation plan was ruled illegal by the Supreme Court. However, his more recent debt transfers rest on a different legal authority than the original, $400 billion-plus plan.”
Emphasis mine. Literally cut his own demands by two orders of magnitude because he didn’t want to pack the court. I’m very glad those small fraction of borrowers got some relief. We all deserve that.
I don’t think college graduates are the primary source of mass shooters.
But the are the primary source unibombers
All this stuff is designed to sound good on paper but then what’s the real impact?
I think what I mentioned can be included under the category All this stuff as it was mentioned in the OP.
Fair enough
Question:
Has not having that office done any good?
Why isn’t Biden out there reminding everyone of this?? People think he haen’t done anything because he’s doing zero chest beating, which is what you WANT to do to win over the morons not paying attention.
Yet again, Democrats prove themselves to be garbage politicians, yet idiots CONSTANTLY defend Democrats for utterly failing to take ANY win.
This is all so fucking pathetic, watching people argue about which pile of shit they want to step in to.
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Why is he only saying it in stupid nirmal ways? Why doesn’t he have everyone browbeating reporters with it? Nobody fails to hear what Trump does, whether they want to or not. Biden does nothing to help himself beyond the “normal” political crap, and that OBVIOUSLY is not how the game is played these days.
The fact that everything trump does gets media coverage is because everything he does is bat shit insane and will get viewers, which is their goal…which is a serious failing of modern journalism.
That’s an insult to journalism to even associate the drivel they do with journalism.
He’s finally starting to gently point it out, but this lack of messaging is more about how the DNC is total dogshit at messaging.
he constantly flirted with WW3
How?
If we were flirting with ww3 before, what would you say the current president is doing today?
Killing qasem soleimani, Moving the embassy to Jerusalem, Destabilizing Nato, Withdrew from the Iran Nuclear Deal, all the stuff with Kim Jong Un.
Neat list, when I turn on the news now I hear about lots of civilians being bombed and starved, and targets being attacked within Iranian borders.
If you think we were closer to ww3 before in the last presidency you’re full on TDS.
Trump sucked but pretending we were closer to ww3 before is delusional.
Pfft. Come on, Ivan.
all the stuff with Kim Jong Un.
You mean… literally sitting from across a table from him?
There was a bunch of personal insults first, if you might recall.
The idea that N Korea will be relevant to WW3 is pretty funny though.
The days when insults could cause wars ended many, many hundreds of years ago.
Humanity doesn’t change.
what would you say the current president is doing today?
The opposite.
How? We are engaged in more conflicts now than before, with far more menacing opposition.
As someone who takes crazy pills every day, I am highly insulted that you associate me with the Trump administration.
Furthermore, my nipples are in tune with God and tweaking them will grant you his holy message.
But doesn’t The Ace of Spades get a bit old after a while?
Look at all these fucking Russian/MAGA trolls in the comments trying to play a “both sides” thing.
I was there. I lived through both. You can go fuck yourself. Like trump.
There’s a visibly coordinated effort to trash Biden and/or democrats on lemmy. The commentary is all the same. They use some form of “both sides” blaming both democrats and republicans for being awful while attacking voting for either. They focus hard on Israel and call Biden “Genocide Joe” or some similar derogatory term. Overall, they always pick at Biden’s policy completely devoid of nuance while never discussing Trump’s policies past or planned. I got several posts removed from /world calling out such similar comments.
Conversely, every single time someone makes a legitimate criticism of Biden or the Democratic establishment (and there are many to be made), someone dismisses it as “both sides”.
Democrats are undoubtedly better than Republicans. Biden is undoubtedly better than Trump. Both parties are still corrupted by mega-donors and entrenched elitism.
I have no problem with legitimate criticism. There’s plenty to criticize. However, when that criticism is derogatory, often baseless, and comes with the aforementioned attacks on voting, you bet your *** that there was nothing constructive about it.
The only people propping up their argument these days with “both sides” are the willfully uneducated and the conservatives.
I’m willfully educated and a Bernie Democrat, and I’ve been accused of making “both sides” arguments many, many times. It’s almost a guarantee that it will come out in response to any criticism of Democrats.
I don’t disagree about disengenuous conservatives making bad equivalency or “uni-party” arguments. However, it’s also true that the establishment consensus across both parties is very much outside the needs and desires of mainstream Americans.
I’m just pointing out of that it’s really easy to accidentally throw the baby out with the bathwater, and it’s not in the long term interests of the Democratic party to derail serious criticism.
Show us this “serious criticism”. It needs to be:
- sourced, or very well established facts, i.e. winner of an election (not including The Big Lie of course)
- longer than one paragraph
- have an original point
Bernie Bros are a thing. Not that you’re a Bernie Bro, just that - Trump-supporting Bernie people most definitely exist and are famous for crapping in threads. As a Bernie person myself, I don’t mean offense, I’m saying it’s easy to say “hey i’m a progressive, but Biden sucks” and that’s actually what we’re calling out here. That’s a russian troll mainstay. Actual reasoned criticism is . . . rare at best.
Bernie Bros are a thing.
Please try and apply your criteria to that statement. Write it up with multiple paragraphs with ample citations, add something original to it, then, frankly, shove it up your ass.
Or they call you a Russian asset/plant/bot or whatever.
Further, if you’re a wage earner, chances are pretty good nothing has happened under Biden to make meaningful positive change in your life, so why skip a day’s pay you desperately need in order to vote?
Unless you are in a union, have a child, drive an electric vehicle, did anything to make your home more energy efficient, want to avoid WW3, or benefit from a functional economy, Biden hasn’t done anything for most Americans.
I have a lot of criticisms to make of Biden, but he’s the best president we’ve had in at least 50 years. That is sadly an incredibly low bar, but I think he’s cleared it. I think he could have handled Gaza a lot better, but I’m not sure it would have actually helped, and I’m pretty sure that no other recent president would have done much different.
I’m pretty sure that no other recent president would have done much different.
If you’re a wage earner, he is exactly the same as a Republican.
If you mean he hasn’t personally come to your home and washed the dishes and played with the kids, yeah. Ok.
For having not even two years to unfuck all the amazing bullshit Trump intentionally or incompetently caused with a Democratic house, he’s done amazingly well.
And seriously “I’m a workin’ man he ain’t done nothin’ for me” is straight up talk radio garbage. Do you want examples? We got a bag full. But I’m guessing you don’t.
Being unhappy with both options and focusing on Israeli war crimes is a perfectly valid political stance.
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While I’m sure these trolls exist, I think there is still a minority that genuinely disliked the dems and don’t want to support genocide.
My point is: everytime I see someone saying that lemmy is having a coordinated effort to trash Biden, it kind of makes me trust that statement less because I’m one of those who actually criticizes Biden without trolling.
This is why those trolls are so effective, cause their goal is not to troll us, is to get us to troll and argue with each other over miscommunications they started.
Then I don’t think you understand the difference between trolling and criticism. There is absolutely plenty to criticize about Biden, and criticism should be done, however making up “genocide Joe” comments, trashing on voting for him, and implying potential supporters are complicit in the actions of the administration is not criticism.
And it’s always either lemmygrad or Lemmy.ml
as expected, socialists and communist can’t and won’t tolerate the existence of a fascist state
And yet China and Russia are facist states
Neither of those countries are fascist.
Go to China and talk about tiananmen square or go to Russia and oppose the invasion of Ukraine. You’ll be locked up instantly.
Self proclaimed communists who support authoritarianism are either wildly propagandized or flat out shills
with a bit of lemmy.world sprinkled on top
If Trump wins, he will outright ban the Democratic Party, if not at least make it SUPREMELY difficult for the party to be changed in any significant way for the better. I will only vote for Biden to buy a little more time in which for the more progressive wings of the Democratic Party to act. Technically, there’s nothing stopping our government from just Thanos snapping a party out of existence. I really would not want to see Trump snap his fingers and suddenly the only party with the means to oppose him just stops existing.
lmao, genocide joe shills, i hope trump wins…
Here’s a record of all things Biden… https://twitter.com/PushBidenLeft
Like, I know Biden is not that great, but at least the slow collapse of the country isn’t being put in your face every day like it was with Trump.
I can’t think of a single other president in my 32 years on this planet that I can say that the end of their time in office acutely improved my mental health.
in your face every day
This is the media. And Trump’s love of publicity.
Maybe if he didn’t do horrible things to benefit himself at our expense every day the media wouldn’t have been having a field day. I mean, every word and every action that guy makes is 100% about boosting himself up and knocking everyone else down. Hard not to report on all that when the guy that’s supposed to be leading us and improving things is sabotaging and grifting us in plain sight. Ya know?
We are not going to change Trump’s narcissistic, destructive grifting, but the media doesn’t have to report on it.
Can’t say that pretending his narcissistic destructive grifting doesn’t exist sounds like a better option.
It exists, but it doesn’t need to be amplified.
Right, elect Trump and stay quiet. Got it.
True. And honestly I wish they would stop. Even now he KEEPS getting tons of media attention he wants.
Even media adjacent things like all the late shows went from comedy about anything to all Trump all the time and I had to stop watching them. It is exhausting.
Like, I know Biden is not that great, but at least the slow collapse of the country isn’t being put in your face every day like it was with Trump.
Noted, but if you work for a wage, you’re living the collapse of the country every day. You’re likely paying 2.5x more for groceries now than you did in 2020. Permanent $3 gas is here. You’re also likely paying for those things with 2-3 jobs.
What you guys don’t get is that it doesn’t matter that Trump was a bad president. Too many people are living in a bad presidency, and they’re going to want change.
They are the Russian bots at it again.
Yes OK, but apart from all that, what has Biden ever done?
Apparently he personally killed thousands of Palestinian babies. /s
“You don’t think this is a result of decades long fucked up relationship between US and Israel, driven by almost all political and administrative entities from both DNC and GOP, and not just Biden?”
“yOu ArE gEnOcIdE eNaBlEr!!11!”
“That’s the way we’ve always done it” is a poor justification for supporting genocide.
supporting genocide.
Go fuck yourself and learn about ‘inertia’ while you’re at it.
It’s so neat seeing the only policy centrists actually stand up for when they encounter pushback.
That’s not what they said at all.
You are mixing up “the way it is” with “the way it should be”. They are speaking to the way it is not trying to argue that it should be that way because we always have.
It’s simply stating a fact. The US has a multiple decades long bromance with Israel and the unsettling truth is that we both love doing the whole industrial war machine killing and genocide thing. A lot. Slavery, Trail of Tears, Vietnam, Banana Republics, Tuskegee, Iraq, Afghanistan, and on and on. And you’re gonna sit there and tell me it’s Biden’s fault alone that Israel is doing a genocide? And that he alone can somehow stop them after decades of doing it too and backing them?
Should Biden denounce the genocide? YES Should Biden at least stop sending munitions? YES Should Biden send in our troops to stop the IDF? Yes? No? Maybe? I don’t even know. Is he responsible for the genocide? NO
He supports the genocide by selling weapons to Israel. If he ever stops, I’ll stop saying he supports genocide.
I didn’t say it was Biden’s fault alone.
Fair. And I agree.
One thing that makes me bristle at the situation is that a lot of people are saying “he is doing the genocide so let’s elect Trump!”
And I’m like wtf? No. He isn’t DOING the genocide, he is enabling it sure, but not doing it, and not voting for him to let Trump win is 100x worse.
One thing that makes me bristle at the situation is that a lot of people are saying “he is doing the genocide so let’s elect Trump!”
And one thing that makes me bristle is when people assume that all opposition to the genocide is this. My position is that Biden is supporting Netanyahu’s genocide and that he should stop.
He mAdE tHe pRiCe oF cHeeSe Go uP!
biden sitting in the office, twiddling the “cheese price” knob and giggling to himself
That’s why the cheesemakers are blessed, so that they’ll increase production which will result in lower cheese prices across the board.
Reminds me of Monte pythons the life of Brian
I expect that’s the joke they were making.
This whole debate misses the point entirely. You only vote “for Biden” in the symbolic sense. On a rational level, it’s a binary choice: Biden or Trump, and having to check a box next to one of them is just a procedure.
For example, if the ballot just said "Trump: yes[ ] don’t care[ ] no[ ] ", that’s for all practical purposes the exact same thing as “Trump[ ] 3rd Party[ ] Biden[ ]”. The boxes have exactly the same effect in both cases. The more to the left you check, the more likely Trump will be president again.*
Yet I gotta imagine, many if not most of these “won’t vote Biden” people would have a much easier time picking the rightmost box on the first ballot than the second, because they refuse to vote “for Biden” on some sort of moral grounds. But that’s purely theatrical and immaterial to the task at hand. It’s like refusing to sacrifice a pawn in chess to obtain a checkmate. While it’s admirable that your moral principles wouldn’t permit ordering a lowly pawn to sacrifice itself, that’s not actually what’s happening: you’re just taking an action that increases your odds of winning a game.
Likewise, when you check the box next to Biden, you’re not actually voting for Biden. You’re voting for not Trump, which (because of a different election - the primaries that that Biden already won) happens to result in Biden serving a second term. If you want someone other than Biden to be the non-Trump candidate, that was a whole different election.
*The only difference is that in the second example, it would raise the odds of the 3rd party candidate winning in a hypothetical universe where a 3rd party has a chance, but that’s clearly not the universe we live in. If you wanna live in that universe, election reform such as runoff voting is a prerequisite. But that’s a whole other topic, to put it mildly.
Are there any lemmy servers that consist of more moderate and centrist or even moderate right-leaning people? I don’t like solely participating in the echo chambers, because if you don’t think like the liberal hivemind you get insulted repeatedly with no meaningful discussion, and the talking points are combative instead of philosophical or thought provoking. Surely there are less extremist communities on lemmy somewhere?
The problem is I want a home feed where left-wing political stances and memes aren’t crammed into every possible row, and lemmy users seem to spend significant amounts of brain power making anti-right wing memes and whatnot, so instead of having useful meaningful entertaining content it’s just political garbage and left-wing propaganda. Might have to just make my own instance and somehow filter out the useless political rhetoric noise I guess.
I sincerely doubt you have much to add that is philosophical or thought provoking, if this (honestly tired old image) was enough to make you respond like anyone who criticizes Trump, or attacks bad takes about how both sides are bad, makes everyone here extremists. And now you must flee to a safe haven where nobody does that? Is that not… Seeking to participate in a different echo chamber? Do you not see how ridiculous that is?
