it’s gaslighting. it’s one of the ways that narcisistic assholes use to manipulate you into doing and being what they want.

Don’t fall for it in romance, and don’t fall for it in religion either.

The idea that ‘God’s ways are higher and we can’t judge him’ is prevalent in many religions, if that’s what you mean. But usually, they only apply that to the bad stuff, they’re usually happy to credit their god when things turn out well.

Suffering from a naturalist point of view is easy to understand, even if it’s terrible to see. Suffering because of some greater plan by a deity? Sorry, when a human can have better morality than a omnipotent god who could only figure out a horrible way to put things together, something’s messed up. I mean, maybe, if he’s a god but some gods suck, like in Heinlein’s Job: A Comedy of Justice…

It’s about as accurate as “there’s a giant spider behind you, but it disappears every time you turn around” in that you can’t demonstrate the inaccuracy of the claim beyond the basic absurdity.

And if Allah tests people but doesn’t explain the test or why they failed it by killing them at birth (or killing their baby at birth), Allah is not a good god. Allah is an evil god. There is no justice in a secret test.

It’s the same hogwash as any religion’s argument, that it’s gods plan

It’s a convenient way to avoid having to actually provide an answer, nothing more. Take religion out of it and just consider the underlying argument:

You must believe this, without evidence, because you can’t see the evidence.

Ok, there are certainly things which we cannot perceive directly. Radio waves, for example. However, no one was saying we should just accept they exist, without evidence. Humans eventually found a way to detect them and create a reliable, repeatable, predictable way to detect them and show that detection in a way we can perceive. There is no need to take the existence of radio waves on faith, you can actually build a simple radio yourself.

And this is where such arguments fall over. There is some very powerful being. But, it is incapable of giving one of its prophets a framework which can be used to describe the universe in a testable, repeatable, falsifiable way which demonstrates the existence of said being. It all boils down to, “trust me bro!”

Ya, no thanks. If the claimant cannot provide better evidence than a bunch of stories someone may have once said, I’m not buying it. History is lousy with prophets claiming to hear gods. It’s the perfect con. Do what I tell you or something bad might happen after you die. Evidence? No sorry, the gods only talk to me. And this Al Gayeb argument is just more of the same.

That’s the same as 'ineffiable plans" in the other Abrahamic religions…

The vast majority of the time, if someone bitches about just one, it’s because they’re a hardcore version of a slightly different flavor of the same stupid shit.

That’s not an argument, it’s an assertion. And it’s wrong.

We can’t doubt that satan tests us with the creation of the false abrahamic religions because it is something that only satan knows.