I might not be understanding something about the fediverse, but isn’t this like if you couldn’t send or receive email from a friend because you use gmail Google decided to block @icloud domains?

Like, you’re not forced to follow or interact with it, and are free to block it if you can think of a reason to, I just don’t see why such an open platform used to limit users in this way

  • TheOneCurly@lemm.eeEnglish
    92·
    3 months ago

    The concept as I understand it is that Threads has the sheer volume of content to completely drown out the existing Fedi content if it fully opens the floodgates. If that occurs and say 90% of content becomes Threads and then they start making Threads only extensions to Activity Pub, servers will have to start patching those in and the Activity Pub project is defacto owned by Meta.

    People also have issues with the Meta content moderation and the population on Threads, but as you noted that’s fixable on an individual and community level. The existential threat to the future of the Fediverse is why servers should defederate. Meta can’t and shouldn’t be trusted with any amount of power over this community project.

      • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
        16·
        3 months ago

        Lemmy World is doing a pretty good job of that themselves. I don’t hate them, but I don’t understand why.

        • Cyborganism@lemmy.ca
          91·
          3 months ago

          No, they aren’t. They aren’t by any means.

          Maybe there are more posts from that instance, but there is no one trying to then extend the protocol with the objective of requesting special features and then killing off the protocol.

          • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
            14·
            3 months ago

            They haven’t gone that far yet, but they’re on their way. I didn’t think they were like that in the beginning either, but they certainly were advertising themselves to be the best place to go in the beginning for some unknown reason. They now try and take over every community and/or shut down smaller ones. An admin was curating things, which isn’t a great sign. Granted, it was just an admin, but I’m not welcome there anymore. They act like reddit, so I think of them like reddit. That’s just my take, you’re totally welcome to disagree, and you obviously do. I didn’t see the value in spreading out in the fediverse, now I do.

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
    531·
    3 months ago

    I don’t want to interact with anything related to that company. There’s a reason I don’t have accounts on any of their platforms. I don’t like them.

  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
    351·
    3 months ago

    I think the argument is that Meta would hoover up and profit from posts from people who don’t consent to use it. AFAIK, you can’t block an instance from seeing your posts and comments, so the only real option is defederation.

    • Arcane2077@sh.itjust.worksOP
      529·
      3 months ago

      You can’t block anything from seeing your posts and comments though. That is point of a free and public space. Defederation isn’t doing what you think it is

        • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com
          211·
          3 months ago

          only until llm scrapers hit the market. they will make the api requirement negligible. like reddit is finding out now… you can block your api all you want but people are just going to scrape your public site.

          • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
            15·
            3 months ago

            Sure, but that’s not the issue at all. The issue is that they’d be linking lemmy content from within Threads, as in using Lemmy content to drive engagement for Threads. Whether it’s used in an LLM is another matter entirely. Without direct API integration, Lemmy posts and comments won’t show up in Threads. That’s my take on why people want to defederate.

            • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com
              212·
              3 months ago

              so youre saying meta may use the information youre publicly posting as if it was public information?

              e. solution seems simple. require login to view content… or dont

      • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com
        922·
        3 months ago

        this is exactly it. these people are posting public information, and are then getting butt-hurt when its used a public resource.

        im running an mbin instance (shoutout https://moist.catsweat.com !), which does connect to threads. I purposefully avoided using lemmy as its not capable of doing that. I wanted to give people stuck in the FB walled garden a path out where they could still communicate with their friends and family on threads.

        my only concern with threads is one of resource management/volume. I cant have their stream physically take down my server, so that would be the only reason for me to block them.

        a rather large lemmy contingent are vehemently, emotionally anti-meta. see also the ‘fedipact’

  • Noble Shift@lemmy.world
    245·
    3 months ago

    You understand perfectly well.

    This is not genuine discource. You post in bad faith with a tactic as old as Reddit. Piss off slag.

  • Gabadabs@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    71·
    3 months ago

    I went to fedi to avoid big corporations and what they’ve done with social media. Why would I want their platform having access to my posts? I don’t trust meta or any of the other big tech companies. In fact, the main mastodon instance I use blocks threads entirely and that’s one of the reasons I joined it.

  • sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net
    27·
    3 months ago

    Lots of people love to defederate anything at the drop of a hat.

    That’s it.

    In reality, threads and lemmy aren’t even the same type of thing and are unlikely to intersect on a regular basis, in the same way you don’t see many posts from mastodon or pleroma.

    One thing I find funny about the whole thing is meta is a bunch of corpos, so it isn’t that hard to just get them to defederate from you if you’re willing to grow a spine. My network is blocked, and I believe it’s because I called the maintainer of fediblock a nazi gestapo a bunch of times and demanded they add my site to their list of wrongthinkers or I’d call them doubleplus ungood, thus getting on a list that mindless drones use because it’s easier to just follow orders, regardless of where those orders come from.

    lol