I don’t understand what you are trying to prove here? I know that there are some people who call themselves left and support fascism. I am not referring to them. I say that scepticism about KPRF is shared among almost every political movement on Russia. If some idiots use this argument it does not make it any less valid. I also do not know what “karvolitsy” is. If you are referring to Kagarlitsky, then I am not referring to him. He is a known clown and he does not have any connection to Russian communists. I am talking about different left organizations in Russia, like RKRP, Rot front, VKPB, skp-kpss etc.
I am only trying to prove that being the so called “commies” who criticized KPRF doesn’t mean they are always telling the right perspective of things , when we you have multiple commie parties just like in India , Nepal they tend to bicker about each and everything for power grab and pseudo ideological fight. These organizations are nothing more than petty clubs w.r.t KPRF. Whether its boris or etc , they tend to amplify certain errors in the past or present to justify their ambitious projects which may not be good for Russia as a whole in long term. So , when people say Boris got arrested for no reason and he is a commie or inversely Zygunavo is a Putin’s stooge , I don’t agree with such evaluation . It reeks of EU lib propaganda and demonization of Russia to a mere one man dictatorship which is not at all possible.
In your language , most people agree KPRF is not communist ? And ? Most people in the world don’t believe CPC is a communist too ? is that a logical explanation ? There are commies like in KKE who claims about chinese imperialism , Russian imperialism and then calling Donbass resistance against Nazis as made up nonsense.
Well, if you do not agree - that is your choice. Everyone in Russia agrees on that and that is more credible source from my perspective. When it is everyone vs one, one is wrong. News articles from past and present, encyclopedias, vitnesses all share the same opinion on the matter.
Your beliefs are your beliefs. There is not much that can be done about them. I, as a Russian and SVO supporter have another opinion. But I think that those communist, who live in Russia and vitnessed KPRF’s work are more trusted source, than tbise, who live outside and are just inversing everything that the west has ever said.
Boris was arrested because he was an idiot, who had poor judjement in what someone should and should not say.
Again, “everyone in Russia agrees with you”. That is hyper nonsensical. Everyone in India loves hindutva fascism and has a strong base for it. Everyone loves this or that is very absurd coming from a so called marxist. I agree hommie commies are more critical of their parties work but… Nevertheless it was KPRF who demanded SMO from 2014 and it was KPRF who had raised the resolution for annexation of Donbass in 2022 . It was Zyganov who always talked about the plight of Donbass and inaction of Russian government in the past.
You are a Russian that doesn’t make you always on the right track. Only the concrete analysis of contradictions makes you a marxist.
It is far less nonsensical than your argument “I heard some lib say something so it must be false”.
It was also almost everyone in Russia, aside from libs, who demanded SVO. By the way, KPRF demanded it so hard, that they (what a coincidence!) decided to put it on the vote in duma only in 2022, right after Putin prepared an army for that. I think even you won’t that it is not something that you can do in one month.
Zyuganov can talk whatever he wanted, but his speeches are not supported by his actions. Zhirinovsky also talked about donbas, does it make LDPR a communist party? If we use this argument the best one would be Limonov and naz-bol party, who sent troops to fight for Donbas in 2014.
As for Marxism, your analysis based on arguments “I heard some lib say it”, “The KPRF has K in it’s name”, “Zyuganov supports Putin, so he must be communist” is far better. Marxist analysis should be based on reality. If your analysis is based on “I don’t want to hear anything, I don’t want to check anything, I once heard some lib, made my opinion and gonna stick with it” then your Marxism is non-existing.
By the way, your argument about Zyuganov supporting SVO is especially funny. Do you know who else support SVO? Russian nazi, like DShRG “Rusich”, like Russian Imperial Corpus etc. What a bunch of communists!
Coinciding decisions on SVO and on important foreign policies doesn’t necessarily makes one
pro imperialist or pro Putin. You are making an ass of an argument here that liberal talk is as fine as it is against KPRF. I don’t need to check my information based on a random dude from internet who had no history of positing anything earlier and then it suddenly jumps on bashing KPRF because it did some decisions which had conflicted your personal ethos and ideological stance. It’s you only who initially wrote that KPRF has businessman as nominee for election. In that regard you completely forgot Chinese historical approach and completely simped without judgement on CPC and wrote that it had been easy peasy for CPC because they are in power. I mean what kind or nonsensical argument is that.
Again you are not learning from history. Nationalists and communists were united against the Japanese invasion from 1930. The scenario you made in which nazbols sent army to fight Nazis was the right approach in marxist way. Similarly Zyganov did the right thing. That doesn’t mean Zyganov has become a fascist or Putin has become a communist or LDPR has become a commie. Liberals and ultra left wing of Russia are nuts and these have nothing to do with what I have heard in Quora. It’s out in the open. The actions of Zyganov may not be in your liking but you can’t proclaim that your opinion is Russia’s opinion on everything. KPRF has good amount of members everywhere and i dont want to call them Putin stooges for certain decisions. It’s a liberal approach to to portray Russia’s inner politics as child’s play. Zyganov supports Putin because he is the best what you have among the remnant of old elites. In either side you have pussy riots and Navalny or crooks like Boris (the surname i care less). Even Communist Party of Ukraine was supportive of SVO, should you declare them as fascist as well? Well you might seeing your “all have decided KPRF is Putin’s stooge”
The argument you made earlier that without revolutions we will be replacing one imperialist with another is another ultra leftist take from the EU land.
Your motto here is… You will not listen to what KPRF wants to say but you will listen to whatever people wants to criticize about KPRF, thats not a proper attitude. You also claimed that recent all communist parties in global South have gone to the right wing, that’s also inaccurate. You reek of huge inaccuracy and infantilism, it is because you don’t want to see any relation between commies and Putin. And don’t want to see the huge contradictions and hyper imperialism in the present world.
Guy, maybe my English is so bad, that you cannot understand my point. You continue to argue against thesises that I have never made.
I am not going to answer to this message. I have already understood that your opinion, revisionist and uneducated from my point of view. You have already heard my opinion, which you also probably consider foolish. And there is not much that can be done here.
I do not think anyone else is reading this thread at this point.
have already understood that your opinion, revisionist and uneducated from my point of view.
That’s an old tactic to portray global South people as uneducated and ideologically impure w.r.t EU moral North commies. Sorry not interested in your vile hidden racism and will not consider your opinion on KPRF as universally accepted phenomenon in Russia because you thought it be so.
Sorry, I am not familiar with foreign stereotypes. In Russia we usually picture people in India as wise people. I, of cause meaned uneducated on this matter (Russian politics), not in general. Sorry if my poor choice of words hurt you.
I don’t understand what you are trying to prove here? I know that there are some people who call themselves left and support fascism. I am not referring to them. I say that scepticism about KPRF is shared among almost every political movement on Russia. If some idiots use this argument it does not make it any less valid. I also do not know what “karvolitsy” is. If you are referring to Kagarlitsky, then I am not referring to him. He is a known clown and he does not have any connection to Russian communists. I am talking about different left organizations in Russia, like RKRP, Rot front, VKPB, skp-kpss etc.
I am only trying to prove that being the so called “commies” who criticized KPRF doesn’t mean they are always telling the right perspective of things , when we you have multiple commie parties just like in India , Nepal they tend to bicker about each and everything for power grab and pseudo ideological fight. These organizations are nothing more than petty clubs w.r.t KPRF. Whether its boris or etc , they tend to amplify certain errors in the past or present to justify their ambitious projects which may not be good for Russia as a whole in long term. So , when people say Boris got arrested for no reason and he is a commie or inversely Zygunavo is a Putin’s stooge , I don’t agree with such evaluation . It reeks of EU lib propaganda and demonization of Russia to a mere one man dictatorship which is not at all possible.
In your language , most people agree KPRF is not communist ? And ? Most people in the world don’t believe CPC is a communist too ? is that a logical explanation ? There are commies like in KKE who claims about chinese imperialism , Russian imperialism and then calling Donbass resistance against Nazis as made up nonsense.
Well, if you do not agree - that is your choice. Everyone in Russia agrees on that and that is more credible source from my perspective. When it is everyone vs one, one is wrong. News articles from past and present, encyclopedias, vitnesses all share the same opinion on the matter. Your beliefs are your beliefs. There is not much that can be done about them. I, as a Russian and SVO supporter have another opinion. But I think that those communist, who live in Russia and vitnessed KPRF’s work are more trusted source, than tbise, who live outside and are just inversing everything that the west has ever said.
Boris was arrested because he was an idiot, who had poor judjement in what someone should and should not say.
Again, “everyone in Russia agrees with you”. That is hyper nonsensical. Everyone in India loves hindutva fascism and has a strong base for it. Everyone loves this or that is very absurd coming from a so called marxist. I agree hommie commies are more critical of their parties work but… Nevertheless it was KPRF who demanded SMO from 2014 and it was KPRF who had raised the resolution for annexation of Donbass in 2022 . It was Zyganov who always talked about the plight of Donbass and inaction of Russian government in the past.
You are a Russian that doesn’t make you always on the right track. Only the concrete analysis of contradictions makes you a marxist.
It is far less nonsensical than your argument “I heard some lib say something so it must be false”. It was also almost everyone in Russia, aside from libs, who demanded SVO. By the way, KPRF demanded it so hard, that they (what a coincidence!) decided to put it on the vote in duma only in 2022, right after Putin prepared an army for that. I think even you won’t that it is not something that you can do in one month. Zyuganov can talk whatever he wanted, but his speeches are not supported by his actions. Zhirinovsky also talked about donbas, does it make LDPR a communist party? If we use this argument the best one would be Limonov and naz-bol party, who sent troops to fight for Donbas in 2014.
As for Marxism, your analysis based on arguments “I heard some lib say it”, “The KPRF has K in it’s name”, “Zyuganov supports Putin, so he must be communist” is far better. Marxist analysis should be based on reality. If your analysis is based on “I don’t want to hear anything, I don’t want to check anything, I once heard some lib, made my opinion and gonna stick with it” then your Marxism is non-existing.
By the way, your argument about Zyuganov supporting SVO is especially funny. Do you know who else support SVO? Russian nazi, like DShRG “Rusich”, like Russian Imperial Corpus etc. What a bunch of communists!
Coinciding decisions on SVO and on important foreign policies doesn’t necessarily makes one pro imperialist or pro Putin. You are making an ass of an argument here that liberal talk is as fine as it is against KPRF. I don’t need to check my information based on a random dude from internet who had no history of positing anything earlier and then it suddenly jumps on bashing KPRF because it did some decisions which had conflicted your personal ethos and ideological stance. It’s you only who initially wrote that KPRF has businessman as nominee for election. In that regard you completely forgot Chinese historical approach and completely simped without judgement on CPC and wrote that it had been easy peasy for CPC because they are in power. I mean what kind or nonsensical argument is that.
Again you are not learning from history. Nationalists and communists were united against the Japanese invasion from 1930. The scenario you made in which nazbols sent army to fight Nazis was the right approach in marxist way. Similarly Zyganov did the right thing. That doesn’t mean Zyganov has become a fascist or Putin has become a communist or LDPR has become a commie. Liberals and ultra left wing of Russia are nuts and these have nothing to do with what I have heard in Quora. It’s out in the open. The actions of Zyganov may not be in your liking but you can’t proclaim that your opinion is Russia’s opinion on everything. KPRF has good amount of members everywhere and i dont want to call them Putin stooges for certain decisions. It’s a liberal approach to to portray Russia’s inner politics as child’s play. Zyganov supports Putin because he is the best what you have among the remnant of old elites. In either side you have pussy riots and Navalny or crooks like Boris (the surname i care less). Even Communist Party of Ukraine was supportive of SVO, should you declare them as fascist as well? Well you might seeing your “all have decided KPRF is Putin’s stooge”
The argument you made earlier that without revolutions we will be replacing one imperialist with another is another ultra leftist take from the EU land. Your motto here is… You will not listen to what KPRF wants to say but you will listen to whatever people wants to criticize about KPRF, thats not a proper attitude. You also claimed that recent all communist parties in global South have gone to the right wing, that’s also inaccurate. You reek of huge inaccuracy and infantilism, it is because you don’t want to see any relation between commies and Putin. And don’t want to see the huge contradictions and hyper imperialism in the present world.
Guy, maybe my English is so bad, that you cannot understand my point. You continue to argue against thesises that I have never made. I am not going to answer to this message. I have already understood that your opinion, revisionist and uneducated from my point of view. You have already heard my opinion, which you also probably consider foolish. And there is not much that can be done here. I do not think anyone else is reading this thread at this point.
have already understood that your opinion, revisionist and uneducated from my point of view.
That’s an old tactic to portray global South people as uneducated and ideologically impure w.r.t EU moral North commies. Sorry not interested in your vile hidden racism and will not consider your opinion on KPRF as universally accepted phenomenon in Russia because you thought it be so.
Sorry, I am not familiar with foreign stereotypes. In Russia we usually picture people in India as wise people. I, of cause meaned uneducated on this matter (Russian politics), not in general. Sorry if my poor choice of words hurt you.