There is no “both sides” here. Russia invaded Ukraine, repeatedly since 2014, salami slicing it. It interfered in elections. It killed multiple people on foreign soil, using highly dangerous, banded methods, that could easily have killed many others than the target. Putin has completely destroyed any democracy in Russia and murders his opponents.
Countries joining NATO to get protection from Russia, or the EU, to get trade deals, is not remotely the same as Russia invading Ukraine in bloody war. Or any of the murderous shit Putin has done.
& that is just 1 source I was able to find in mere-seconds, as this issue has had entire books written on it.
BOTH sides commit imperialist narcissist machiavellian psychopathic nihilistic sadistic shit, while gaslighting the entire-world about it.
The difference is a difference of degree, not a “1 does it, the other doesn’t do it” difference,
& that has been true for … the last 8+ decades?
This is actually a fundamental problem with “politics”:
IF a particular machiavellian-operation is established,
AND a “new government” is elected,
Do you try resetting everything, in order to align with the temporarily-in-power new-electorate?
XOR do you just keep everything underhanded going as S.O.P, while letting the “politicians” play in the polls?
( this is intentionally a false-dichotomy: the right-answer is somewhere between, & keeps dynamically changing, as the country’s morality devolves/evolves )
Without periodic-review, there won’t ever be any accountability, & evil can just continue growing, endlessly, until the “deep state” really is the primary enemy of the country’s civil-rights…
With periodic-review, however, then … done by whom?
when?
At what intervals?
With what authority?
etc.
Therefore, the default is for evil to just continue growing…
As a collector-of-knowledge told me, years ago, the more he understood what had actually happened in the US molesting Nicaragua, via the CIA, & drug-cartels, etc…
the more he couldn’t figure-out who the bad-guys were supposed to be.
That is normal.
Spook stuff does everything it can to eradicate true-good & true-evil from all frames-of-reference!
that is by-design.
which is what makes it & some-people so … utterly-incompatible.
Frankly if someone supports Russia over the West, or “both sides” Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, I count them as either a Russia troll farm or a tankie.
The West does bad thing, but often with some misplaced good motives. It doesn’t do things like:
I’ve read that the CIA’s “heart-attack gun”, which shoots a frozen needle ( so it dissolves, leaving no “piece” to find ) of poison, explains a plague of heart-attacks among biomedical researchers, some years ago ( including those who refused to play any spook-games for anybody? either you’re working with us or you die? )
Israel is acting in a monsterous way that doesn’t make it think of it as part of the West. The US isn’t an angel, but that doesn’t make it like Putin’s Russia. It’s false equivalent. Though, with Trump, it could degrade so much I don’t see it as part of the West anymore. If it stops being a real democracy. It could even full apart as I don’t see all the States standing for it. Putin’s, and authoritarian’s everywhere, wet dream.
Its almost like the west tried to be cordial with Russia before Russia decided to be an expansionist imperialistic power…
Both west and russia are exmpansionist imperialistic powers
There is no “both sides” here. Russia invaded Ukraine, repeatedly since 2014, salami slicing it. It interfered in elections. It killed multiple people on foreign soil, using highly dangerous, banded methods, that could easily have killed many others than the target. Putin has completely destroyed any democracy in Russia and murders his opponents.
This is a fact and has nothing to do with sides or teams. Both the west and russia are exmpansionist imperialistic powers
Countries joining NATO to get protection from Russia, or the EU, to get trade deals, is not remotely the same as Russia invading Ukraine in bloody war. Or any of the murderous shit Putin has done.
The person you’re arguing-against has a valid point…
https://www.npr.org/2021/12/25/1067966116/u-s-air-strikes-have-killed-thousands-of-civilians-nyt-magazine-investigation-fi
& that is just 1 source I was able to find in mere-seconds, as this issue has had entire books written on it.
BOTH sides commit imperialist narcissist machiavellian psychopathic nihilistic sadistic shit, while gaslighting the entire-world about it.
The difference is a difference of degree, not a “1 does it, the other doesn’t do it” difference,
& that has been true for … the last 8+ decades?
This is actually a fundamental problem with “politics”:
IF a particular machiavellian-operation is established,
AND a “new government” is elected,
Do you try resetting everything, in order to align with the temporarily-in-power new-electorate?
XOR do you just keep everything underhanded going as S.O.P, while letting the “politicians” play in the polls?
( this is intentionally a false-dichotomy: the right-answer is somewhere between, & keeps dynamically changing, as the country’s morality devolves/evolves )
Without periodic-review, there won’t ever be any accountability, & evil can just continue growing, endlessly, until the “deep state” really is the primary enemy of the country’s civil-rights…
With periodic-review, however, then … done by whom?
when?
At what intervals?
With what authority?
etc.
Therefore, the default is for evil to just continue growing…
As a collector-of-knowledge told me, years ago, the more he understood what had actually happened in the US molesting Nicaragua, via the CIA, & drug-cartels, etc…
the more he couldn’t figure-out who the bad-guys were supposed to be.
That is normal.
Spook stuff does everything it can to eradicate true-good & true-evil from all frames-of-reference!
that is by-design.
which is what makes it & some-people so … utterly-incompatible.
_ /\ _
Frankly if someone supports Russia over the West, or “both sides” Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, I count them as either a Russia troll farm or a tankie.
The West does bad thing, but often with some misplaced good motives. It doesn’t do things like:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_Skripal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko
Perhaps you consider Israel to be not part of the West?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01N7LQ2NR/
Or perhaps you consider the US to not be part of the West?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinations_by_the_United_States
I’ve read that the CIA’s “heart-attack gun”, which shoots a frozen needle ( so it dissolves, leaving no “piece” to find ) of poison, explains a plague of heart-attacks among biomedical researchers, some years ago ( including those who refused to play any spook-games for anybody? either you’re working with us or you die? )
NONE of our countries is “clean”, is my point.
Some are more overtly evil, than others, is all…
Israel is acting in a monsterous way that doesn’t make it think of it as part of the West. The US isn’t an angel, but that doesn’t make it like Putin’s Russia. It’s false equivalent. Though, with Trump, it could degrade so much I don’t see it as part of the West anymore. If it stops being a real democracy. It could even full apart as I don’t see all the States standing for it. Putin’s, and authoritarian’s everywhere, wet dream.
Which sovereign nations have the west invaded recently?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_invasions_in_the_21st_century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change#2010s
RB probably also isn’t aware that the US has been helping Saudi Arabia starve and brutalize Yemen for the last eight years too.
One of the reasons why I’m anti-war is that history has shown the US to be the bad guys more often than not.