I try not to argue or even talk online… But I occasionally hate on carnists when I can’t stop myself.

The stochastic front line.

I bait sometimes because I like the downvotes. I prefer to debate in chat rooms.

The thing about such debates is either they’re extremely prepared and want to talk about antinutrients like we shouldn’t eat any plants or they’re not prepared at all and they completely miss points.

Sometime between digg and reddit I debated someone about sentience and they didn’t believe cows have sentience. So I linked the cow that released their self and their friend from a feed lock. That was the last dude that admitted they’re wrong.

I get so god damn sick of seeing “new, entirely preventable, zoonotic plague is getting close to human transmission” articles that, yeah, I can’t help but say something.

Fucking carnists will act surprised and upset every time something like COVID-19 happens, without it even once occurring to them that confining biological vessels into small, inhumane conditions might have dire consequences for human animals too. Now we have a new entirely preventable plague about to start spreading in the US 🤷

with [email protected] I have a whole (German speaking) community for that. Even though it is supposed to be the German vegan circlejerk, there are probably some non-vegans lurking.

Apart from that, I sometimes add comments whenever it makes sense for the topic at hand, and I have some minutes to spare.

I tend not to anymore, arguments online fuck with my mental health too much tbh. Regardless, I get enough shit from my family out of the blue whenever we have a meal, I’m over it. I’m sick of people claiming to love animals while dismissing the idea that they should act like it by just saying “nuh.”

I’m new to being vegan, so feel free to take my opinion with a grain of salt.

I made a little bit of a controversial post asking how to be a “good vegan” probably a week or so back, and the replies I got were a bit interesting, and it has me thinking about how to approach this. I saw people saying not to claim “moral superiority” which I understand people can get frustrated by if it were to happen, but at the same time, it’s like, with the reasons I chose to go vegan, I’m taking my personal beliefs and bringing them to their logical endpoint to maintain consistency best I can, and I feel it’s fair not to feel “above” others, but rather feel more altruistic, as you’re being more selfless in not wanting animals to die for your personal welfare when that can be achieved otherwise.

That small rant out of the way, I find it hard it hard to engage with people regarding myself and veganism, cause on the one hand, I want to mention it where necessary, but on the other, I want to avoid coming across as inserting that fact about myself into every conversation.

However, if I were to approach things, I would personally avoid talking about animal welfare and more about the other benefits of a vegan diet. That might get me scolded, but the reality of the fact is that people know how their food is made and what it entails, but don’t want to be greeted with the graphic imagery that comes with that reality, and I think that’s fair cause it’s almost natural instinct to avoid that imagery. Sure, words don’t do justice to what happens to these animals, but while graphic imagery may help some to make the swap, that approach doesn’t work with everyone. My father showing me how hotdogs were made and us having them for years afterwards comes to mind.

Instead, talking about other benefits would likely sway more people over, and likely avoid the tiresome back-and-forth that vegans have with staunch defenders of meat. Whereas animal welfare can be seen as a more “abstract” issue (unfortunate as that is), talking about the health benefits, environmental impact, and economics of a vegan diet would likely sell more people over as it would defeat the skewed perception of vegans as the people who show graphic imagery to people in public and base their thoughts in emotions, and instead showcase them as people rooted in rational thought and absolute facts as those aspects can be backed up more with inarguable points backed by studies and paper evidence.

Anyway that’s my TED talk, hope my thoughts aren’t too misaligned with the general community.

I do argue with people a lot here as the issue of ethics is very important to me.

It’s encouraging to me as the main developer Dessalines is vegan.