foxglove (she/her)

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  • As usual, the first thing I wonder is whether there are any studies on this, what the empirical evidence has to say … lots of the violence happens in the context of families (romantic partners, but also fathers, uncles, etc.). There are cultural, social, psychological, and biological factors in play, and there are ways to improve on all of those fronts.

    Here are a few I would care to see:

    1. more women would leave abusive households (and thus avoid the worse outcomes that follow from not leaving) if they had economic freedom to do so, to that end feminist movements like “wages for housework” in the past have tried to address this, and the idea of “wages for students” and universal basic income have been suggested as a way to give women financial freedom from their abusers
    2. abortion rights, without abortion rights complications during pregnancies can lead to the deaths of women, e.g. hospitals won’t remove a dead fetus inside the mother, it turns septic and kills the mother as well - this is the reality right now in places like Texas
    3. find ways to reduce the alcohol lobby and grip on society, alcohol is often a factor when men abuse women - sure, outlawing it failed, but we forget one the motivations for Prohibition were women agitating to end a cause of violence from men




  • This is pretty interesting, maybe a good example at how patriarchy victimizes men as well as women. Here you are, a man proud of his housework and who is offended at the notion that men wouldn’t be expected to engage in housework - but in a surreal twist, you’re arguing with the women who are offended by the same exact thing.

    Also, I don’t know where you live, but in most of the Western world (and probably this is worse elsewhere) I think there is an expectation (even though it is sometimes implicit) that women belong in the kitchen doing housework and so on, and that men should be at work. Those attitudes are changing, but there is still a sense that men who do women’s work are virtuous for being so egalitarian and progressive.

    This can also come up with dads, e.g. a dad is in a grocery store with his kids and people might tell him “oh, aren’t you such an amazing father”, but it would be unusual for someone to say the same thing to a woman with her kids in the grocery store. There’s just a thought that men are exceptional if they do women’s work.

    That housework is not perceived as women’s work and men aren’t seen as exceptional for doing women’s work where you live seems unlikely or unusual to me (where in the world would this be true, Iceland maybe?) - but I’m not going to deny your experience, and I’m wrong all the time.

    Still, I don’t think I’m wrong about the majority of places and societies in this case, and the meme still stands in those contexts (even if it might not in yours).

    Hopefully this helps clarify?


  • I’m confused, are you saying you receive no praise for your housework within your family and from your wife, or are you denying that in society broadly you would receive praise and that it’s entirely normal and expected that men do housework and that they wouldn’t be seen as exceptionally good for doing housework?

    If the meme were reversed it wouldn’t make sense, since housework is considered women’s work and since women are by default expected to do housework they wouldn’t be praised for it.

    Can you explain to me how the meme stereotypes men?

    Maybe you think the meme is actually asserting the sexist double standard, and is declaring that women should be expected to do housework and men should not be expected to do housework? (Rather than how I and others understand the meme as criticizing that double standard as sexist.)

    Also, it’s surprising to me that you start off with “ban me” energy, and then apologize for intruding into a women’s only space - thanks for being human, that’s awesome! 💕


  • I’m not sure if you are understanding the meme or not … the meme is pointing out a double-standard, that when men do “women’s work” like ironing, they are perceived as going above and beyond and doing something praise-worthy, while women are expected to do the very same work by default (i.e. it’s not exceptional or praise-worthy for women to iron clothes or other “women’s work” because it’s just expected of them).

    This is a double-standard. Pointing out a sexist double-standard isn’t misandry.





  • I feel you 😅 I have a strawberry figure and generally would avoid the fitted skirt look due to my thin hips, opting instead for something that flares more and gives the appearance of more hips than I have …

    The vibe the skirt gives me is very office formal, so probably I would try a nice blouse, but this is probably one of those outfits that would start a downward spiral with the mirror and leave me stressed and nearly in tears by the end.