What is your line in the sand?

Edit: thank you all for your responses. I think it’s important as an American we take your view points seriously. I think of a North Korean living inside of North Korea. They don’t really know how bad it is because that is all hidden from them and they’ve never had anything else. As things get worse for Americans it’s important to have your voices because we will become more and more isolated.

Even the guy who said, “lol.” Some people need that sort of sobering reaction.

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    4 days ago

    Never have, they are ruled by their uniparty and indeed they can’t see outside their box.
    I am probably that lol guy.

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    It’s what they call a “flawed democracy” now. It’s not at the point where thousands of people simply disappear and every aspect of political life is dictated by one party’s leadership.
    But it’s sliding downward.

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    10 days ago

    See, as a German, when I see a country go down the same route as the Weimar Republic after handing over the power to the Nazi party, I think it’s just very obvious. Hitler took some two months to completely destroy democracy, and the US are juuust in the middle of that. History doesn’t repeat, but sometimes it rhymes, and the similarities are just remarkable.

    So yeah, I guess that would be a big fat trench in the sand.

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      10 days ago

      As a German also I agree with this statement. Ostensibly it is a democracy but in reality it’s not. And yes, there is a lot of rhyming going on

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    still consider

    It has only two political parties, and a weird system where all votes are not equal and the actual vote majority doesn’t always win.

    It has frequently had multiple people from the same families running for office, and only wealthy people have a shot. Corporations get to lobby for laws in their favour.

    It also spies on its own citizens, holds people indefinitely without trial, has a huge prison population, a militarized police with a high homicide rate, and is the only western nation with the death penalty.

    Trump and Musk are laying bare how fragile the veneer of “democracy” really is in that country.

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      To be honest, not even from the start was it a true democracy, the Electoral College is a layer on top of democracy to give different weight to each vote.

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    A struggling democracy, in the beginning of an Orban/Hungary-like overtake of the country.

    Its possible to revert, but you seem to have atleast a 1/3 of the country that would walk down a straight up facist line willingly and happily do so.

    You need to fix your shit america.

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    10 days ago

    Line in the sand? Going after political opponents. Censoring information. Dismantling media. Abandoning rule of law. Business and government mixing too much.

    USA is speed running these.

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    10 days ago

    I consider it an autocratic regime with strong fascist characteristics.

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      I consider America to be a plutocracy, which successfully propagandized the majority with the illusion of democracy, now transitioning into a Christian fascist kleptocracy… Basically a mafia state / corporate dictatorship using religion to control the masses (as is tradition).

      If you think it’s not very Christian, that’s because most Christians consider Jesus’s teachings to be evil communism.

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    Canadian here.

    Before Trump? Ehhh, not really. I’ve always viewed the US as a place where you vote for which oligarch-backed monarch you’d want to put in absolute power for 4 years. Every 4/8 years the new incoming overlord just rips up whatever the previous one did and nothing of substance is actually achieved.

    After Trump 2.0? No. There isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell that Trump is going to surrender all that power he and the GOP have accumulated. And why would he? He doesn’t have to. He literally controls every branch of government that he can and ignores those that he doesn’t. If the US ever has another election it will purely be for show, like China’s elections. The mask is now fully off and the charade of US democracy is over as those who actually wield the power now do so openly on their sleeves.

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    Am Dutch. I have considered the US an incomplete democracy since I learned about voting in school. It’s not one person one vote, which to me is crucial for a democracy. The US right now is still a nation of laws, but democracy is sharply in decline. The voter-roll issues and Gerrymandering come to mind immediately. Not to mention the fact that guaranteed access to polls has been pulled by the courts. Which is insane to me.

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      Also president having so much power was clearly never democratic to begin with as we can see it all play out now.

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        The power of the president did not start out like this. Congress kept giving their power to the executive for political reasons.

        It happened over centuries.

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    Absolutely not. When laws don’t apply to the president, the jig is up. Trump clearly plans to be in power forever. Either there won’t be elections or they’ll be rigged.

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      all those images of venezualen immigrants … being handled like the absolute worst possible being… its crazy

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    When was the US the last time a democracy?

    You can vote democrats or republicans, which mostly get bankrolled by the same rich assholes. As a normal citizen of the US you have almost no influence at politics at all, because the media is controlled by rich people, the biggest internet platforms are controlled by rich people, elections are paid for by rich people, …

    The current situation is not a spontaneous, miraculous, magical result of Trump and his gang, it was years in the making by lobby groups, influential/rich/powerful people and neo liberal brainwashing of the masses.

    Same holds true for most other western so called democracies.

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    I barely considered it a democracy as a two party system as the elites controlled it all, but now it’s just even more messed up. They need to hold people accountable and not elect criminals to office.

    I fear for the future of America as a country.

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    I never considered it a democracy. It’s one-party system with two parties, what can be democratic about it? Smoke and mirrors.

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    To me it never really was. If you look into how they do voting here, its insane, really.

    US citizens always loved to make these “we’ll bomb some democracy in to you” but they never brought democracy either. I think it’s fair to say that no other country started asa y dictatorships as the US has

    Add to that;

    Bush lost the election and became president anyway.

    Trump has heen successfully lying his way through the past four years (and well, yeah the 4 years before that too) instigated an insurrection and was never held accountable

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        I am outside the US, not a citizen, just someone whose life constantly seems to be affected by shitty US politics