I think it’s on purpose because Andor can’t have a real anti-fascist, anti-empire message if Darth Vader is present. In the dynamics of real empire, Vader should be some kind of manager/general like Krenic. He can’t be a 6’-4" cyborg who is the best at being a pilot and the strongest magic space warlock to ever exist. The foundational narrative of Star Wars is about how empires are created by bad people who are indoctrinated by magic space warlocks. This message was driven so far deep in the lore that literal space genes cause people to be almost deterministically evil or good. You can’t be materially anti-empire when the empire is actually magic. Being a revolutionary against empire means something and it’s not waiting for the prophecy of a good guy with magic space genes to save us all.
The best thing Andor can do is forget the Skywalker bullshit, pretend it doesn’t exist, and flesh out the Empire as being founded in material exploitation. That is something they have been doing so far. If Andor has to go find a magic Jedi mcguffin or protect the royal space gene bloodline, it’s cooked. Luckily we know how this ends so they don’t have much room for that bullshit.
I rewatched Rogue One after watching season 1 of Andor again before the 2nd season and in Rogue one Andor (the character) mentions the jedi, which means he knows about them by Rogue One which kinda scares me for this season. Think it’s gonna turn out that Luthen is a jedi, I hope not and that line in Rogue One goes on to not make any sense.
meh jedi should be fairly well known to his generation, he was born before the empire killed them.
Han Solo didn’t believe in the Jedi having existed and his best friend met Yoda. Andor also shows he was living in a pretty far off planet which was then violently colonized by the republic and then was a refugee and moved around a lot mostly around some more far flung places. I’m really hoping they just forget the line was even in the movie especially cause thar will make star wars fans really mad and I fucking hate star wars fans.
george fucked up the timeline by a couple decades, clone wars should’ve been 20 years earlier than they were based on obi-wan’s lines in a new hope, han not believing jedi were real, and the general guidance the continuity team had given writers for vaguely gesturing at the “clone war relics”.
huh apparently andor and han are supposed to be the same age
idk, def share your hope none of the characters turn out to be secret jedisMy distrust of star wars in general is in constant conflict with the fact that andor was amazing. Stick the landing.
I am also kinda glad it’s only gonna be 2 seasons cause I like stories that end but it also kinda sucks that good star wars is probably gone again after this. Good star wars ended last time in 1980 before andor blew that shit out of the water. I love the original movie to death but it’s cause I really like 70s Sci fi movies so the slower pace and robots walkimg around a desert is totally my shit. Empire is great but has huge pacing issues. Too fast at the start and then goes to a crawl post both and then a super fast ending. Return of the jedi sucks. The prequels suck but I find how and why they suck to be infinitely interesting. Clone wars sucked. Sequels were a mid movie a movie that should have gotten one more script pass over to tighten things up but was otherwise promising that is somehow the most controversial piece of media ever and the worst thing ever projected on a screen according to almost everyone. I’d love to see Tony Gilroy do an original Sci fi after this
Whenever Darth Vader isn’t onscreen actively committing atrocities, all of the other characters should be asking, “Where’s Darthie?”
Darth Vader should be louder, angrier and have access to a time machine
This is what a steady diet of ‘‘best [X MOVIE HERE] fight scene compilation’’ and comicbooks does to your brain.
we need a name for the motherfuckers who watched the vader scene in Rogue One and came out thinking it was epic and awesome instead of horrifying
Vintage Hugo Boss lovers
I thought it was boring fanservice and would rather it have been cut
in a way, it really was, because at the end of the day despite the fact that they tried making it like a scene from a horror movie, its just like all the vader trash that star wars adults love; pure unadultared ‘‘i want to see darf vader being ebic and killing everything becuz he’s soooo powerful’’-power-level-ism
There are Vader coffee mugs, Vader sheets, Vader pez dispensers, Vader bookmarks, Vader lunchboxes, Vader toys, Vader window shades, Vader birthday hats, Vader stickers sheets, Vader coloring books, Vader Lego, I’ve seen birthday cakes at the grocery store with Darth Vader drawn on em, Vader pillowcases, Vader candles, Vader cereal, Vader haloween costumes, and the Star Wars Holiday Special. He’s not scary to anyone, people drink coffee from a effigy of his hollowed out head on work zoom meetings. He’s not scary
I just want to see Vader return to his one true love - podracing
Honestly, watching Vader blow up some main characters in a tie fighter and then saying, " breath now this breath is what I call podracing" would be so fucking funny.
Hire fans 👆
I would legit watch a series or movie focused on pod racing. I know the Guys from the n64 game and would love to see Dud Bolt: A Podracer’s Tale
the wachowskis already made speed racer
Star Wars knockoff of Drive to Survive would be kinda amazing
I remember when i was younger just wanting to watch a star wars tv series about the inner workings of the senate, which still sounds infinitely more enjoyable than “vader kill to show power heavy breathing”.
All I want is a Jedi / Normal guy buddy-cop style baddy of the week show set on courusant
There’s a bit of Clone Wars for you, kinda, but not really
I read the Jedi Apprentice books which were about young Obi Wan’s adventures with Qui Gon leading up to phantom menace as a really little kid and from my vague memories they were kinda close to that but also aimed at children
Literally the dumb drooling babies that RLM mocked relentlessly in all their sw videos.
action scenes in franchise films really are just porn that people don’t feel embarrassed about watching in public.
goddammit Meco is dead, now who will make the duel of the fates/ 70s porno funk remix?
Andor is a Star Trek show.
Please what is Vader be able to do? If he does anything else than force choke some rando and does standard “bad ass” lines, the fanboys will cry about it. He has no politics, no culture, no ideas, no purpose (especially modern vader), he is a “great man” that is just enforcing palps will, which we already have enough of.
Again going back to RLM but Mike explained it best when he said Vader was more of an enforcer like an ss officer in nazi germany than space jesus or space john wick.
It’s even called out in the original trilogy in the first film lmao.
“…your sad devotion to that ancient religion.”
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.”
This is one of the most famous scenes and one of the most quoted lines in the whole series. Even in-universe, people talk shit to Vader straight to his face about being nothing more than the Emperor’s attack dog when he needs someone competent to do some evil shit.
In universe jedi & sith are seen as religious cults. In KOTOR the sith-jedi war is called “Jedi Civil War” because people think its about jedi fighting over “doctrine”.
Yeah, Vader in the first SW movie was more like hired muscle instead of the Emperor’s right hand man. He’s subservient to Tarkin and he’s openly mocked by Imperial officers throughout the movie. Certainly not someone who’s basically second in command of the whole Empire.
I’m sure something in the canon explained its way around this, but it’s obvious that George Lucas didn’t have the backstories of these characters planned from the beginning like he’d claimed.
If the SS had pagan occult magics like some consipracists say, they’d still be the SS. Vader can be an evil wizard and also a space nazi.
Himmler build a larp nazi arthurian pagan castle in wewelsburg because it was a nexus of the spirits of fallen saxon warriors or something- replace saxon with sith and that’s very much palps.
The most you can do with him is have him be like a horror movie monster where he shows up and kills a bunch of rebels who are helpless before him. But you gotta build up to that by making us care about the rebels in question so we feel bad when they get murked.
I’d watch that. Basically Jason with psionics.
Fallen Order uses him somewhat like this (light spoilers) - he turns up at the end and all you can do is run the fuck away as he uses his monstrous force powers to tear the station around you apart (with partially destroyed terrain providing a convenient route to safety, of course). Definitely a top 5 Vader moment, along with the corridor scene at the end of Rogue One and “Then you shall die braver than most” in Rebels.
Vaders politics basically boil down to being cool, powerful and owning the libs with it with no other clear motivation attached. Which in the 70s makes for good movie villain and idiotic political premise, but alas, george lucas has been vindicated again
Vaders politics basically boil down to being cool, powerful and owning the libs with it with no other clear motivation attached.
perfect but also thanks I hate it
That’s also what Palpy seemed to want out of the guy and what was needed. He couldn’t go around force lightninging everybody, he had boring admistrative evil to do. Like naming surgical reconstruction centre’s after himself. Vader is his thug, he’s the Luca Brasi of the empire. Making Anakin an awkward creepy idiot in the prequels (aside from phantom menace but his role in that was ‘kid’) does flow well into Vader as character. It wasn’t compelling or fun to watch but I guess there is some logic to it.
I also remember the action packed duel between Obi-Wan and Darth Vader in A New Hope.
They actually made that in the Obi Wan show and it sucked ass lol. All I remember is Obi Wan pelting Vader with shitty CGI rocks
if you like that you should watch some grandpas who have been doing kendo for 50 years
Darth Vader’s entire story and then some has been told. Also the threat he once represented is entirely diminished due to his presence in pop culture for almost 50 years. Dude is printed on children’s bedsheets and stuff, any excitement from Darth Vader has been wrung entirely dry. Like Bela Lugosi’s Dracula, that shit was scary in 1932 but it didn’t take long for it to be the way to depixr a vampire in a silly way. If you want a threatening villain to be threatening you don’t use them as often as possible cause that means the heroes have to beat or escape them more often, trek did it with the borg as well.
Plus tonally, Vader doesn’t fit into Andor at all. Most of Star Wars is focused around grandiose melodrama. Anakin was never relatable at any point. Fucking Mon Mothma at this point has waaaaay more character depth than Darth Vader because what she’s going through makes sense and the way she reacts to things emotionally is similar to what a human would do or feel. Anaking never reacted to a single piece of outside stimuli in a way that remotely resembles human behavior. His emotions are dictated by plot necessity at every turn. Andor is doing this thing where it’s not trying to be Flash Gordon or whatever bullshit the clone wars was trying to rip off which seems to be the gold standard of star wars for these fucking geeks. A trash kids show.
We still don’t know how he goes to the bathroom, and since I brought it up: I don’t wanna know
Trauma mindset: I wont watch andor because the first person who recommended it to me really hurt me
People like this don’t deserve good media.
I’d watch it because it’s good, not because it’s Star Wars fan fiction.
protip: George Lucas only made 6 Star Wars movies.
The prequels get too much credit. People have nostalgia glasses on for what were bad movies. The same complaints today about the Disney trilogy (except for the chud complaints) were made about the prequels.
Like how you gonna have Samuel L. Jackson in your movie and have him be completely wooden? There’s multiple academy award winners and nominees in there, yet their acting sucks. It’s because they had a shitty director with Lucas not letting anyone else have input or telling him no.
I was still a kid, but older going into my teens when they came out. I remember the reactions people had, comparing them to the original trilogy. My point is, chuds get themselves worked up over a franchise that’s been objectively terrible as though they were the pinnacle of modern cinema. They need to just shut the fuck up and enjoy the slop.
I was 22 when TPM was released and my friends and I were so excited to go see a new Star Wars movie. The first one came out the year I was born so even though I’m nearly 50 now I never got to see the originals in that form and this was a huge moment for Scifi nerds like us. We got together all the old crew, we had all graduated college at that point and didn’t see each other often and this was like an event. We piled into the theater…
When it ended we all just sat there confused. No one wanted to be the one to admit that the movie fucking sucked. It sucked so hard I was embarrassed to be there. We all looked at each other like uh… was… that good? Finally someone was like “I wanted to leave since the underwater scenes”
The prequels suck. The only reason anyone like them is that they were kids when they came out and it tickles the nostalgia centers of their brains. The next two were slightly better but only very slightly. I will never watch them again.
> implying that the OT isn’t also nostalgia slop
I am not! I liked it at the time then the prequels killed it for me. The OT is not good on rewatching either lol. I’ve actually never even seen Andor either, who the fuck cares
Yup I came out of that theater like “The pod racing and final duel were the only good parts…what the fuck was that Jar Jar character? Midichlorians?”
I don’t know, I’ll defend the prequels a little bit. They’re still bad movies, but they’re bad in a way that was… interesting? Besides pod racing, which rips, they had some actual political ideas and were at least set against a backdrop of a liberal democracy descending into fascism.
A manufactured war creates a crisis and goads a small group of bourgeois senatorial elites to concentrate power in the hands of a unitary executive who uses that power to abolish the liberal democracy. The sequels don’t have anything resembling politics, just vibes.
George absolutely needed reined in but he did have some good ideas in the all the slop. But I’m willing to give him way more slack for modeling the rebels in the OT after the Viet Cong than maybe should.
I loved the movies as a kid and realized years later how bad they were. I’m surprised to see a resurgence of apologia for it because at the time the vitriol towards these films were as great as they are for the current movies.
And Andor is better than any of those six
Treatle is like Wordle but you identify the treat based on selected reddit reviews of it
I wanted lightsaber fighting as a child. Somewhere in my mid teens I wanted to know the lore but as an adult I want lightsaber fights
P.s. no idea what andor is
P.s. no idea what andor is
That’s good, that means you get to experience it completely blind for the first time!
Go watch it, now.
(if you have the time for 12 50-minute episodes)
