You never visited the Wikipedia page before?
The wikipedia page doesn’t have any version of this image. Regardless, the most shared images are closer up and from the ground, showing about 5 tanks, not this version with 50 tanks. The image of him sitting in front of a few tanks was the most widely used I believe.
If I remember correctly, the version OP posted was newly found/released only a few years ago. E: this is what I was thinking of.
Thanks for the link, but it still doesn’t have this picture.
You just have missed the section where it showed that photo.
Nope, OP’s picture is not shown there. Only a picture that was taken earlier.
It’s quite obvious now that you didn’t even view the Wikipedia page of tank man and look at the other photos
Only a picture that was taken earlier.
Note the distance
i assumed it was a meme post until i looked at the community name
I imagine most people don’t visit that page. It’s totally normal.
What is Wikipedia?
Thanks for sharing. Every time I see a picture of the Tiananmen Square massacre I get shivers. That man is one of the most amazing icons of resistance against oppression. I like to think of myself as brave but I’m genuinely skeptical if I’d have the courage to stand in front of a tank that way.
Massacre? You can see in back there’s no massacre going on, just rows of people getting arrested, and the western narrative of “thousands of unarmed protesters were machine gunned down in the square, then squashed by tanks into nothingness” is entirely false.
Photos and eyewitnesses from the period tell us there was a battle with police in the surrounding streets, after protesters lynched and burned a number of cops.
Hey! You’re the same AH trying to get people to not vote Biden, because you’re such an enlightened Democrat. Didn’t take long for your true colors to start showing lol. Western narratives lol… Okay.
Still not sure if your a Russian/Chinese national trying to act like an American, a piss poor troll, it just a truly uneducated bigot. What next mate, you want to start denying the Holocaust was real? 😂
Typical lies from Lemmy.ml.
Don’t forget to report them.
Atrocity denial is not welcome here, and neither are the people who engage in it.
I agree but I think it’s too bad that someone needs to choose between deleting a comment to stop the spread of lies and propaganda and the other option of leaving it in place so people can see it. I think it’s helpful to see that people like this exist, it helps you understand why people are opposed to these types of people and who is being called a tankie in a negative way.
Agree, but also deleted comments are in the modlog, easy to read them
Also, a lot of apps allow you to read a deleted/removed comment by clicking on the reply button.
Says the dude who habitually justifies American involvement in the genocide of the Palestinian people.
BeCaUsE tRuMp!
Here I thought I was condemning it as unambiguously a genocide and advocating for the complete removal of military aid from Israel. Silly me. I’m glad you’re here to correct me on what I believe.
Happy you’ve turned that tide mate!
Man, I’ve been on both since the beginning. I was calling the Palestinian genocide a genocide before October 7th and the current, heightened phase of the genocide. I’ve been advocating removal of military aid from Israel since I was in my damn teens.
Ah…
Israel has lately left very little ambiguity in their actions, though. Killing civilians trying to get aid packages is quite literally forcing people to starve to death.
putting aside that i don’t fully agree on that:
but he said he saw it unambiguously? what’s the Point of your Comment?
The point is he can’t read.
Dude why are you digging your grave deeper like this? You are losing your cool and looking a fool. When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me. Shall I go on? No, I shan’t.
Know the signs of stroke!
I think you dropped your whataboutism.
Can you imagine how funny it would be if anybody actually believed this take?
Even the Chinese government says a couple hundred civilians died. “At the end of June 1989, the Chinese government said 200 civilians and several dozen security personnel had died. Other estimates have ranged from hundreds to many thousands. In 2017, newly released UK documents revealed that a diplomatic cable from then British Ambassador to China, Sir Alan Donald, had said that 10,000 had died.”
I honestly don’t know what your goal is with that post but I choose to believe the many sources (Chinese and international) that show a different history than what you’d have me believe. At least hundreds died with thousands more injured, and that’s the low end of the estimates.
Something something libtard something. Commumism killed bazillons, libtard thinks. Therefore commumism didn’t kill anyone. Also do you even support Palestine?
What’s a libtard?
The strawman that the point of view they’re satirizing (I think) uses.
Oh wow a .ml account denying Chinese atrocities how rare oh my gosh.
i take it you supported the us-backed coup attempt?
Do you prefer black or brown boot? Or some other? Can you give me a top 5?
dont k ow, you are the one sounding like the connosseur
I like when they speak up because then I can tag them “Certified Tankie™” on sync
Someone should make an extension that cross references account names with ones on the various defederated instances, whenever there’s a comment like that, I check Hexbear for their username, and literally every single time I have so far they have an account there too
That particular guy is an OG first wave r/ChapoTrapHouse banning refugee (the reason it exists, its original name was Chapo.Chat), Hexbear account is 4 years old with over 3k comments
How do you tag them?
In sync for lemmy, go to a person’s profile, and scroll the options to the right until you see the tag option
Thank you.
The block button also works great.
I don’t like to miss out on the conversation. But keeping labels makes it easier to call out idiots
There’s too much content to pay attention to even when you block all tankies and other extremists. My blocklist is around 550 users long and there’s no shortage of content - just a slightly better noise to signal ratio.
Oh I have posts from .ml and several others blocked on here. The comments I don’t mind
One scenario that worries me:
100% of existing users block unpleasant posters. New user joins. New user sees hateful/ignorant comments with zero contradictions in replies. New user assumes many existing users are hateful/ignorant, when in reality it’s a small muted minority. New user leaves never to return.
Potential partial solution/community contribution:
Resilient users in excellent health (🧠) block no one, replying to lampoon jerks as necessary.
I’m starting to feel like I made my account on the wrong instance if those people are the average
Yeah.
Yeah, I’m sorry to say that’s looking more and more like the case. Lemmygrad and Hexbear were the most obvious and have been either defederated or blocked by most, and it seems like the users have made their way to ML.
I was just about to look into what options I had for blocking all users from the ML instance automatically, and I’m sure others are considering the same.
For your edification, the people spouting pro-CCP propaganda like those in this post are called “tankies”.
ML is a lot better than Hexbear and Lemmygrad. There are certainly some tankies in there such as the user above but if you visit their communities its mostly just lefties.
ML is a lot better than Hexbear and Lemmygrad.
On one hand, yes.
On the other hand, that’s a low bar.
I’d argue the .ml stance on the israeli Genocide on Gaza and non censorship of articles debunking Hasbara was a lot more correct than the .world one especially at the start of the Genocide. Even now only mainstream Western outlets are condoned no matter how well sourced articles are.
If the user above posted the same take on .ml he wouldn’t be showered in updoots either. There sure are some outlier users but .ml and Hexbear/Lemmygrad are completely incomparable.
I can go to .ml right now and see comments like these, just the most insane tankie takes!!:
After getting a bigotry removal for even mentioning Tankies exist, I blocked all .ml instances. Dont have time to deal with Tankie snowflakes
Go fuck yourself.
Jfc, imagine loving the taste of boot this much… 🤮
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.ml is a shit hole instance. Everyone rightfully ridiculing this post risks getting preemptively banned on ml because their dipshit tankie mods are that soft.
Damn malicious AI image generators trying to tarnish the good name of the CCP. Smh. (/s)
Yeah, those horrible AI image generators of the late 80s look like garbage - most photos don’t even have colour! /s
AI?
Also a video at this link. The man moves to stay in front of the tank and even climbs on top of it. Eventually some folks on foot come and guide/force him out of the way.
What part looks AI at all?
Spez probably thought of the possibility of new angles of historic events being generated by AI, but lacked the technical knowledge to realize the technology is not to the point where it becomes indifferentiable.
Given the constant stream of CCP propaganda on Lemmy, I don’t give random accounts the benefit of the doubt anymore.
I feel that.
Its really not about if this person thinks the pic is AI. They’re using the term to muddy the waters around a historical fact because they deepthroat the ccp’s dick.
Or they just didn’t know that other angles existed
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Uh oh, did they take it down?
Ya know I dont know if thats legit NSFL or if im just that desensitized to war photos. Maybe giving 12 year old me a book on the civil war that included post battle photos and sections from a contemporary medical book with photos from the mangled corpses wasnt the wisest move by my grandmother. But ya know what those photos do invoke within me absolute fucken rage.
This was the photo in my local newspaper when it happened. Source: local paper boy. (Was greyscale)
That’s odd, because that’s the photo I immediately think of when the massacre is brought up. I thought it was really well-known.
Most people think of this one
That’s almost exactly the same angle as the one in OP posted lol
OP probably meant “perspective”, not literally “angle”.
Yeah I figured as much
Except that this photo is way more zoomed in. A photograph of a house from above is not the same as a photograph of earth from space, even though the angle might be the same.
Didn’t say the photo was the same, only said the angle is almost identical, which it is.
Even so, t’s off by at least some 45°. This picture was taken from way higher up (compare the position of the white lights in the pictures) and more to the left (see the ratio of the tanks side and front).
45° is a huge exaggeration. Yes, slightly higher up and slightly to the left, an angle that’s almost identical to the one OP posted, as I’ve been saying.
Is that a picture of John Cena and Drax?
No.
I think this shot is stretched.
ifyou believe the us version of the facts, thats pribably not the only angle you are missing
Get out of here with the CCP version. As if anyone believes your shit. And learn to spell, bot. Lemmy.ml isn’t lemmygrad’s alt account, noooo.
well you removed cant speak anything other than english, so you will have to make do.
Fuckoff skinjob
Claims this is propaganda
Refuses to elaborate
Wow this really convinced me.
“The US version” being the version the entire rest of the world and anyone who isn’t a delusional bootlicker who stans authoritarianism says is true?
the rest of the world isnt just comprised of the us and europe, but i wouldnt expect you to know. can you point to the us on a world map?
It’s funny that even CCP acknowledges around 200 killed civilians and yet shits like you exist…
Can you point to the Balkans?
So what happened then?
‘on this site, in 1989, nothing happened’
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/ns95id/beijing_june_5th_tank_man_stopping_tanks_from/
If you want to read the other side of the story
Notably the mod posted a cbs link that says the reporter never saw any bodies because the military arrested him and held him captive. But the mod doesn’t quote the part of the article where the reporter says people were definitely killed
But there’s no question many people were killed by the army that night around Tiananmen Square, and on the way to it — mostly in the western part of Beijing. Maybe, for some, comfort can be taken in the fact that the government denies that, too.
I’ve seen lots of pictures of Hong Kong protests, and hear about rent protests in Beijing, but haven’t seen many photos like this in Beijing proper in the 21st century. Are they that good at scrubbing the web, or did I just miss them?
China’s internet is isolated from the rest of the world. We would be looking at a lot of content created from china if it wasn’t like that.
The Tiananmen Square protest and massacre happened in 1989.
Yes, that would be the 20th century.
I think they’re saying that, in the 21st century they haven’t seen many pictures of the event. Not that they haven’t seen pictures from the 21st century.
Thanks for this. China keeps trying to wipe away this event by having any image deleted. It needs to be reposed and seen often.
There are diplomatic cables from Australia and Britain about the massacre that have been declassified. Shit was fucked and I don’t know if the cables are common knowledge. That article is a great read.
Those cables have been proven to be full of shit. Go to Wikipedia and read the accounts of the survivors that were pulled out by the CIA in Operation yellowbird https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yellowbird if you want to piece together what happened from primary sources.
This man is a fucking hero and deserves to be recognized as such.
It’s pretty amazing how they let that guy just harass a tank for several minutes and even climb on it, then just kinda let him be led away by bystanders.
There’s a reason they only show a picture instead of the video.
For some reason growing up I think everyone assumed he got ran over or killed?
Because hundreds if not thousands of others were (others have already linked the graphic content).
Also, seeing him being led away in this footage is zero evidence that he survived his protest (unsurprisingly, there is no documentation of him or what the government did to him, but considering what they did to others like him, there is very little room to doubt that he didn’t make it).
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I’ll play devil’s advocate - the photographs don’t seem to show evidence of thousands dying, or even hundreds necessarily. Dozens, absolutely. I doubt we’ll ever know the actual numbers, though. Clearly something awful happened.
I’ll play devil’s advocate
Devil’s one of the most powerful countries in the world, with people on this platform regularly repeating its propaganda, including in this thread.
Not sure the devil needs an advocate in this case.
It always does, imo. Most of the time devil’s advocate isn’t meant to actually “defend” anything, but to find flaws/imperfections in your logic so you can adjust it and when you have to argue with an actual
Xi bootlicker“devil”, they’ll have less ammo to refute your point.The initial exaggeration was probably unintentional, due to second-hand eyewitness testimony getting relayed as fact in the middle of the chaos. But it was later used to pretend nothing happened, which clearly isn’t the case. My girlfriend is Chinese and has no idea anything ever happened in Tiananmen Square: she didn’t even know that date was censored online, so whatever they’re doing is working very well.
It always does, imo.
Not always. Sometimes it’s just amplifying the devil’s arguments by repetition. Time and place, and all that jazz.
Weird saying when you think about it that way.
There are photos of dozens dead and tossed to the side like a garbage bag, both on the streets and in hospitals. Do you seriously think that’s the sort of thing which happens when only a few people died?
I don’t claim a strong position. I suppose if I had to say, I believe the estimates of between 2-800 dead, mostly in the streets surrounding Tiananmen Square, with a dozen or so police lynchings amongst that number. But it would be weird for me to be overly attached to that as an opinion, as the evidence is unclear. I think Beijing hospital records suggest about 400, so that seems like a safe lower estimate.
I think Beijing hospital records suggest about 400
That’d be the 400 they managed to find with their bodies in a good enough condition to identify. Have you seen the literal human paste?
Yes, it’s a reasonable minimum estimate. What is it that you’re disagreeing with? I’ve certainly seen all the pictures. But have a read about the declassified diplomatic cables, it’s interesting. Notably, the mountains of flesh being burned with flamethrowers probably didn’t happen. I have no stake in that, it’s the current position held by the US Government. What happened is still monstrous.
Isn’t this the classic photo?
Yeah, and I heard the protest those tanks were off to stop was against opening up China’s markets to western trade.
It’s just interesting that the brutality is what’s remembered, not what the protestors (who I believe were mostly students and factory workers) were protesting.
My understanding was they were protesting pro-capitalist trade reforms.
I think the classic is the one where you see only 3 tanks.
So it is this, just cropped. Or really another pic with wider view?
