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The responses to Zohran Mamdani’s showing in the New York City mayoral primary were the latest examples of how some G.O.P. lawmakers have grown more overt in using bigoted language and tropes.
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Right wing Republicans? Are there currently left wing Republicans? I’m sure there are like 3 left wing Democrats but, the lion’s share of politicians in the United States are right wing.
It’s as opposed to right wing Democrats who are also making islamophobic attacks against him.
Right wing Democrats? Are there currently left wing Democrats?
Are there currently left wing Democrats?
You are literally in a thread about a Socialist Democrat
That just means centre-right in the US political landscape
Right wing Republicans? Are there currently left wing Republicans?
They call them Democrats i think
I love that both democrats and Republicans are losing their fucking minds. We did something right if that’s the case.
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I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
-Martin Luther King Jr, Letter from a Birmingham Jail
This is what you sound like right now. Because it got the people in power’s knickers in a twist, you’d rather have someone who didn’t upset the establishment so much by… *checks notes… promising to really help people?
Chaos like… basic social policies most of the modern world embraced half a century ago?
Oh no, a livable minimum wage! The horror!
The problem is that he’s willing to alter the balance of power between labor and capital, and that’s a threat to those with wealth and power.
An unjust peace is no peace at all.
Anyone literally would. But we aren’t in normal times and this win has the old fucks panties in a bunch which is a good thing. Fuck the status quo.
The current administration is using chaos for wealth and power. But many see chaos as a necessary step to rescue the country from the grip of whatever the USA is and has become more of.
The very definition of chaos means nobody can control it. It rattles around and produces outcomes which surprise many, it wrecks things many depend. And never builds what people need
Kiss the diaper you chickenshit.
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Their Oligarchic stability isn’t sustainable.
We had that until… you know.
You’re the person MLK warned us about.
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OP: The establishment being upset about Mamdani’s victory is a good thing.
You: I’d prefer if it didn’t happen.
That’s how I, and most other people, are reading the exchange. You failed to provide any additional context.
Now, after seeing your responses, I think what you meant was more along the lines of, “I wish things never got so awful in the first place” but that was not at all clear at all.
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Hey, pro-tip, when literally everyone is misunderstanding what you said, it might help to clarify instead of doubling down on “I don’t understand why people don’t understand.”
You literally replied to a comment that implied that the establishment losing their minds was chaotic and a good thing. When you say you prefer stability over chaos in response to such a comment, it’s easy to see why people might misconstrue what you’re saying.
Anyway, bottom line it’s not everyone else’s job to figure out what the fuck you’re talking about. If you want people to understand, use your fucking words to clarify what you meant instead of this pompous fucking “I don’t get why you don’t get it.” Are you really so far up your own ass?
People misunderstand sometimes, and when everyone around you misunderstands, it’s on you not them to make clear what you meant. Even if you don’t understand how it’s misconstrued it obviously was, by a lot of people.
I sorta on OP’s side; he said a sentence that could be interpreted hundreds of ways, and everyone assumed the worse and started attacking his character. And it’s very hard to nicely restate one’s position without some mild anger after that.
Then people attack even more. It’s a feeding frenzy.
I unblocked this community just this week; I even commented here. But this entire thing is just too much. I’m blocking politics again , and hopefully world politics changes for the better when test it out in a few months
I don’t know man, I’ve been wildly misinterpreted, and I try to clarify what I meant, because it’s my fault for not being more clear. I don’t get pissed off about it and choose not to explain it replying to a bunch of people how they’ve got it wrong.
Like, consider you go into public social a situation with a minority group you support, and you’re not part of that minority group. You accidentally say something that sounds off-color and unhelpful to the group in question, the people you ostensibly support. Now everyone is giving you dirty looks and raised eyebrows and wondering if you actually support them or if they should tell you to get lost. Getting mad at them because you are being misunderstood is never, ever going to make them think you actually support them.
On the other hand, it’s valid to be upset if you’ve taken the time to clarify and people are still willfully misinterpreting what you have said. OP didn’t even try to explain what they meant more clearly in any responses.
That stability was a mirage. They were actively creating instability
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Ain’t our faults you were vague, champ.
I’m glad The NY Times is at least regularly calling these racist now in their news department, instead of “racially charged” or whatever.
But his shock win put him on the national radar, and some Republicans in Congress are now seeking to undermine him using a strategy similar to the racist one that Donald J. Trump employed against former President Barack Obama by questioning whether he was born in the United States. […]
Some Democrats condemned the comments and expressed outrage, although they have learned not to expect any response. And their denunciations of racist attacks typically disappear into a morass of polarized content on social media. […]
[Senator Tommy Tuberville, Republican of Alabama] made racist comments in response, lamenting New York City’s high concentration of undocumented immigrants and referring to them as vermin who “live off the federal government.”
[Senator Tommy Tuberville, Republican of Alabama] made racist comments in response, lamenting New York City’s high concentration of undocumented immigrants and referring to them as vermin who “live off the federal government.”
And then he snatched some cheese from a nearby reporter before scurrying off to his hole that he chewed into the wall. Later, while fucking his rat wife, he called Muslims “rat fuckers,” apparently as a condemnation of someone other than himself.
Racist politicians in Congress attack Mamdani with islamophobic comments
There fixed the title for you.
Republicans have long known their rhetoric is bullshit but have relied on Dems vote blue no matter who to keep the status quo.
Now that the Dems can no longer count on that, republicans are fucking terrified, while the Dems are scrambling to figure out how to keep the base content
This was the result of a Dem primary.
It will be interesting now to see how the “Vote Blue no matter who” gets interpreted now.
while the Dems are scrambling to figure out how to keep the base content
What?
The DNC pivoted hard left with Martin, and did a complete 180 on the victory fund
They know exactly what they need to be doing, and they’re doing it…
I don’t know what exactly people expect
The DNC pivoted hard left with Martin
??
Democratic Party rejects dramatic change in leadership vote
Democrats elected Minnesota DFL chair Ken Martin to lead their party on Saturday, picking a longtime insider from a purple state over candidates who argued for more radical reform after their November defeats.
I don’t know what exactly people expect
Stop voting to confirm Trump’s nominations might be a start.
picking a longtime insider from a purple state
What?
He lead Minnesota’s state party for a decade and took it from purple to literally one of our most progressive states and a blue stronghold.
I didn’t click your link, but I hovered and know why you hid it now.
Semafor:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semafor_(website)
A neoliberal billionaire’s personal project to use AI to tailor “news” to individuals based on their viewing habits to more successfully influence readers…
I’ve been ringing alarm bells about that site for years, I’m going to take people being less transparent with using it as a sign it’s reputation is catching up to it.
Like, you really expect this company:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/what-is-semafor.html
To not shit on Martin because they wanted a neoliberals?
Stop voting to confirm Trump’s nominations might be a start.
I agree that’s a valid criticism of individual Dems. And I agree they should stop.
But what the absolute fuck does that have to do with the DNC?
But what the absolute fuck does that have to do with the DNC?
Well, you’d think the DNC chair would be involved in discussions of strategy, but WTH do I know?
This source any better for you? (And speaking of which, did we forget David Hogg when claiming Martin was progressive?)
DNC Elects Moderate Ken Martin as New Chair, Shunning Calls from Progressive Base (FYI that’s a link to Democracy Now)
Well, you’d think the DNC chair would be involved in discussions of strategy, but WTH do I know?
That’s not what the DNC is supposed to do…
For decades they have been. But voters have roundly rejected that, and the DNC voting members listened and went with Martin.
Literally because he would be unbiased.
And now people are complaining that he’s unbiased instead of biased in the opposite way?
Have you never read any political history?
Do you not already know what happens when after a regime change the new one decides to do all the fucked up shit the last one did, but to the opposite group of people?
I’m sorry man. You post some funny memes sometimes, but if you really don’t get this, you eat up too much of my time.
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Just saw the double reply, sorry bud
Literally because he would be unbiased.
And now people are complaining that he’s unbiased instead of biased in the opposite way?
So are you claiming he’s a progressive or that we shouldn’t care that he’s not? Because I feel like this started out one way, and is ending another.
Have you never read any political history?
Do you not already know what happens when after a regime change the new one decides to do all the fucked up shit the last one did, but to the opposite group of people?
AND ALSO you claim that wanting an actual progressive to chair the DNC is wanting the democrats to do all the same fucked up shit Trump is doing now? Are we having the same conversation?
I can’t imagine how you’ve taken that from my comments.
Edited to add - if you like Martin that’s fine by me. I don’t see how you are holding him up as some shining progressive example though, and you’ve provided nothing but trust me bro to back up that stance.
Do you not already know what happens when after a regime change the new one decides to do all the fucked up shit the last one did, but to the opposite group of people?
And… there it is. That statement betrays exactly what you think of progressives and socialists.
What you don’t get, or don’t want to get, is that there are three political philosophies at play here, and every one of them has it’s radicals and moderates. There is conservatism, neoliberalism, and progressivism.
You think neoliberalism is defined as the “center” between conservatives and progressives, but it’s absolutely just as possible to be a radical neoliberal as a radical progressive. In fact, the people running the Democratic party are hardcore radical neoliberals. They pretend to be conservative or progressive when it suits them, but they are neoliberal to the core. They are just as capable of doing “all the fucked up shit” to their opposition, and have in fact been doing it consistently for 50 years now.
Progressives get a the tip of a toe in the door, and out you come to sound the alarm that we’re going to take over the place and, what, start deporting Republicans?
You aren’t the centrist you think you are, and you are just another enemy to progressives.
And… there it is. That statement betrays exactly what you think of progressives and socialists.
Buddy…
I make Vladimir Illynitch Lenin look like Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Someone pointing out the main failing of revolutions is no one plans for after the revolution, in no way means I don’t have a pitchfork.
You aren’t the centrist you think you are,
Just fucking wild…
I didn’t click your link, but I hovered and know why you hid it now.
LOL I didn’t hide it. That’s how you hyperlink things on the internet. It’s not like you wouldn’t see it upon clicking.
Having said that, I didn’t realize it was AI trash.
OTOH, I have provided at least one source to backup my assertion that he’s NOT super progressive and does not represent something other than status quo. It turns out it was a shitty source, but I"m also sure that’s not where I first saw a similar analysis, so I’ll find you a better one.
You have provided trust me bro.
I’d love to see some evidence that the DNC is becoming more progressive. So far I don’t see that. I’m not arguing with you out of spite, I’m arguing because I think they are too beholden to corporatism to do anything else, and I don’t feel (up to now) that Martin represents a break from that.
Hard disagree with picking Martin.
Ben Wilker getting snubbed just meant they were content with no change.
Also see David Hogg
Ben Wilker getting snubbed just meant they were content with no change.
Then why did they do a 180 on the Victory Fund and start the largest consistent investment in state parties, ever?
Like, shit has changed…
I have a Cuomo you can buy
What does Cuomo have to do with the DNC?
You can’t simultaneously be unamerican and have a fire club remix on SoundCloud where you’re rapping about your grandma. That’s the most American thing ever.
