• BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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      Most of the war in the middle east for the past century was created by secular imperialists, motivated by material greed and racism.

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      interesting, when a nation forms in the middle east without western influence, you get a mutual aid feminist state, which the media does it’s best to ignore, because the narrative that it is ethical to bomb arabs must be preserved.

      Rojave

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      “An empire will rise”
      “An empire will fall”
      “War will break out in the Middle East”
      “The Boston Red Sox will win a World Series”

      OMG, was this man a wizard or what?!!

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      People have been slaughtering each other for well over 5000 years in the Middle East.

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        under that logic people have been slaughtering each other all over the world.

        the largest reason of war in the middle east are neocolonialism (western blocks controlling their puppet states for oil) and actually old timey settler colonialism (Zionism).

        saying “people have been slaughtering each other for…” is such a non answer.

        why did Nazis invade France? because they been fighting in Europe for thousands of years

        why was JFK shot? because people have been killing eachother for thousands of years

        you see how meaningless, non answer it is?

        I bloody hate though terminating clichés.

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      An actual historian can chime in if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure the middle east has had some sort of internal or external conflict going on for all of history. So the answer to your question is likely “still war”.

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        I can’t believe this racist bullshit is getting upvoted. Europe has far more of a history of being perpetually at war than the middle east.

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        I’m pretty sure the middle east has had some sort of internal or external conflict going on for all of history

        Prior to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the Middle East enjoyed centuries of peace and prosperity. From the 13th to 20th centuries, you were far safer in Damascus or Baghdad or Tehran than Paris or Berlin or Rome. Europe was in a continuous state of civil conflict during this period.

        The Middle Eastern states were a popular refuge for European civilians fleeing the 30-Years-War, the Napoleonic Wars, the various wars of consolidation and independence following the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and the World Wars. Countries from Morocco to Iran were all common destinations thanks to their unaligned status and divorce from the conflicts in Europe. More common even than the Americas. In fact, a big early appeal of the Palestinian Mandate was that it allowed Christians, Muslims, and Jews alike to escape the pogroms north of the Mediterranean.

        In the early years, at the start of the Cold War, a number of the former European colonies broke away from their now-destitute colonial masters. This lead to brief civil struggles, largely centered around the capitals where all those European WW1/2 refugees had piled in. But by and large, the democratization of the Middle East was far more peaceful than the democraticization of Europe.

        It wasn’t until the 1950s, when spy games between the US and the USSR began to topple unaligned governments, that war in the Middle East became commonplace. But what we’re seeing today is a novelty of the 20th/21st century. You’re ignoring centuries of peaceful coexistence and fixating on a few ancient (Crusades) and a few very recent (Soviet/Post-Soviet) violent flare ups.

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          So I checked Wikipedia, and the list of conflicts in the middle east in the years between 1300 to 1800 is far from empty. I know it’s easier to blame everything on the US, but you are ignoring dozens of different conflicts that occurred during that span of years.

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            So I checked Wikipedia

            “You may have made extensive, well reasoned argument, but I have consulted the Holy Scripture (Wikipedia) and it says you’re wrong.”

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            So I checked Wikipedia

            Show me a conflict within the borders of the Ottoman Empire that killed more people than the Napoleonic Wars.

            I know it’s easier to blame everything on the US

            Trying to explain to the judge that blaming Jeffrey Dahmer for all those bodies in the fridge is the easy answer and the jury needs to approach things more critically.

            I mean, if it makes you feel any better, the blame falls off the US once you spin the clock back before McKinley. The societal collapse during the 17th and 18th centuries are largely a consequence of imperial policies of England, France, and Spain.

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              Show me a conflict within the borders of the Ottoman Empire that killed more people than the Napoleonic Wars.

              Why would I do that? It would have nothing to do with anything I said.

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    Pretty sure it’s the rich and powerful who expect to become more rich and more powerful when there is war in the Middle East that bring about war in the Middle East.

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      Politicians,

      If we spend a trillion of taxpayers money to kill brown civilians, it will funnel billions into the pockets of the worst scum on earth, and they will funnel that tax money that could have been used on healthcare, housing, education… straight into my pockets.

      Politicians literally burning taxpayers and human lives in order to get a billionth of that cash.

      imagine robbing a bank, by setting it on fire with people inside, only to walk away with 3$ and call it a success.

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    “Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times.”