• bzz@lemmy.world
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    15 days ago

    I’m no Israel supporter but fuck the IRGC. I hope Iranians can at least get a regime change out of this. Death to khamenei and death to all the IRGC leadership. I hope they all become kotlets.

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        14 days ago

        Absolutely not. Iranians are celebrating the death of some of those killed in the strike.

      • M0oP0o@mander.xyz
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        14 days ago

        Enough with two sides team based simplistic sense of geopolitics. Israel is a warmongering aggressor state who is attacking Iran, an autocratic theocracy that commits crimes on its own people on a regular basis. There is no reason two things can not be true and terrible at the same time.

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          14 days ago

          The biggest amount of suffering is because of the western imposed sanctions on Iran. Your are supporting another regime change like the previous Shah which only serves Western purposes.

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            14 days ago

            Shut, and I cannot stress this enough, the fuck up.

            In 2009, the government killed 1.500 people because they went out to ask were their votes went. 10 years later they killed the same amount because people protested an overnight gas price hike of 100%. Then they killed a similar amount, because they beat a Kurdish woman to death for not wearing a hijab. Last year, a wave of gas attacks on girls schools happened and the government looked the other way.

            Mossadegh would have led Iran to a better future. Both the Shah and the IRI Ran It into the ground.

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            14 days ago

            Have you any idea on the internal situation in Iran? Talk to any Iranian, you will learn of things. Even before the western sanctions the people suffered. This idea of us vs them crap and everything is solely the fault of western influence is insulting to anyone from the region.

            I don’t think the practice of shooting shotguns into crowds from rooftops was something caused by western sanctions for example.

          • btaf45@lemmy.world
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            14 days ago

            The biggest amount of suffering is because of the western imposed sanctions on Iran

            Nope. 99% of the suffering is because of the Supreme Dictator

            Your are supporting another regime change like the previous Shah which only serves Western purposes.

            Nope. I want Iran to be able to chose their own leaders. To be thinking that Iranians aren’t good enough people to deserve freedom and basic human rights sounds a bit racist to me.

    • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlBanned from community
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      14 days ago

      “I’m no Nazi Germany supporter, but fuck the British Empire. I hope the British can at least get a regime change out of this. Death to the King and to all the British leadership. I hope they all become beef Wellington”

      • bzz after the battle of Dunkirk.
      • btaf45@lemmy.world
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        14 days ago

        WTF LMFAO. Iran is way closer to Nazi Germany than the British under Churchill which it doesn’t resemble in any way.

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            Let them both be nazi, don’t argue that. Btw, nazi=bad is ina way trivializing the situation. Let’s held each state accountable of their own crimes.

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          14 days ago

          Churchill the man behind the Bengal famine? The man who denied Palestinian sovereignty? That Churchill?

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            13 days ago

            Yeah, but he was a white westerner, and to the rascist liberals on .world, that makes him a good guy.

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      14 days ago

      I mean, fuck Hamas too. They’re far right fundamentalists. But fuck Israel so much harder. And for the time being the enemy of my enemy, etc.

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      This website is collectively completely deluded. Every thread on this topic I see people (I’m assuming tankies and/or actual Hamas supporters) fantasizing about Iran destroying Israel with is… just laughable from an objective PoV.

      I despise the Israeli government but regardless of my feelings towards them, their military is so much more advanced than Iran’s, it’s not even comparable. And they have the backstop of a US carrier group, in case something does go wrong.

      Unfortunately it’s all feelings and no facts on this website. Makes it really hard to actually engage with people.

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        I know nothing about defense and everything I learned, I did so at NCD, but doesn’t Iran have like 88 million people and Israel just 9 million, and Iran has like six times Israel’s active personnel? Iirc they’re one of the largest armies in ME.

        Then again, just by sheer numbers Russia was supposed to overrun Ukraine, 1M dead later and they’re still where they started plus few towns charred to the bone.

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          15 days ago

          Perhaps this map will help:

          To get from Iran to Israel, the Iranian soldiers would have to cross Iraq (and Jordan) or Syria, both very unfriendly countries full of mountainous terrain. Not a viable ground invasion whatsoever!

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            14 days ago

            The puppet regimes of Jordan and Egypt won’t last forever. When they fall, the settlers will find themselves up against over 200 million Arabs in their immediate vicinity.

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          15 days ago

          Iran has many remote areas that are populated. Their military equipment is decades behind, and Israel gets all their equipment from the US.

          The comparison here is very stark; in a single strike Israel managed to cripple Iran’s nuclear program, kill a lot of leadership that has been around since their revolution, and completely eradicate all of their radar and early warning systems on the West side of the country.

          The best response Iran has? Just over 100 drones. Most of them got shot down before they even reached Israel.

          Israel gets a free pass on bullying anyone they see fit in the Middle East.

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        it’s an excuse for extremists to indulge conspiracy fantasies and hate jews openly

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      14 days ago

      Iran also should have the right to chose their own leaders. But they don’t. Which is too bad. If they weren’t stuck with a Supreme Dictator making their decisions then they wouldn’t even need to be defending themselves right now.

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      14 days ago

      From the gay people they execute and the female protesters that they disappear?

      Additionally did I have a right to defend or retaliate after you guys wrecked my country and treated my people like scum? Cause if so, death to America.

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        14 days ago

        From the genocidal Zionists which killed more gay people in one year than Iran since its inception.

        Go simp for Zionists on Reddit.

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          It’s wild, im indigenous and have never had so much hate and racism thrown at me by white leftists who are perching to my brown ass about genocide and colonialism, as I have these pat two years. The rest of us around the world are shaking our head at you guys, your right wingers have been toxic for a long time, but the African left decided to follow suit this year. Non American leftists think you guys are all extremists now

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            Non American leftists think you guys are all extremists now

            In what ways? What are some specific views that you have that are in opposition to the American leftists? And who is “we”? At least narrowing it down to a specific nationality would be really helpful for context for understanding what perspective you are speaking from.

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      14 days ago

      I wouldn’t include Nice, but I agree with that.

      Israel came in and started an act of war. If it was flipped, news would be screaming about Iran being a warmonger.

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    14 days ago

    Iran’s current regime has committed many crimes, while I hate them, I also hate Israel who’s committing an active genocide. Israel is a foreign entity, Iran is not. Today its Iran, tomorrow its some other country.