The Green Party leader has hired a GOP consulting firm and worked with Trump-affiliated lawyers

The Green Party leader has hired a GOP consulting firm and worked with Trump-affiliated lawyers.

  • John Richard@lemmy.world
    1683·
    3 months ago

    I’m not saying she’s not a Russian asset, anyone could be including the people spreading this rumor with no supporting evidence. It’s become a joke online that Democrats will now call anyone they disagree with a Russian asset.

    For some reason, on one hand Democrats will claim that peace negotiations between Israel & Palestine are a good thing, but how dare she say that peace negotiations between Ukraine & Russia are important too.

    Jill Stein has called Putin a war criminal while Kamala campaigns with a war criminal (Dick Cheney).

    • Boddhisatva@lemmy.world
      453·
      3 months ago

      When did “Dick” Cheney campaign for Harris? He said he was voting for her rather than the felon. That’s it. Liz Cheney is the one who spoke at a Harris campaign, not her father.

      • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
        528·
        3 months ago

        He didn’t. And Stein refused to say Putin is a war criminal. John Richard is in here lying through his teeth.

        • John Richard@lemmy.world
          1143·
          3 months ago

          Yeah, you’re wrong and spreading misinformation like the average cultist.

          https://www.instagram.com/drjillstein/p/DAHhwbTSG2p/

          There are multiple articles showcasing where she has, but what you won’t find is a single article of Genocide Joe or Kamala calling Netanyahu a war criminal. They’re saying… You did such a good job killing all those women and children Netanyahu, here is a $8.7 billion dollar thank you check.

          • egrets@lemmy.world
            2710·
            3 months ago

            Genocide Joe

            Where have I seen this playground terminology before? Not that I want to support Biden’s policy on Israel in any way, it’s despicable, but a Stein apologist using Trump’s own puerile rhetoric raises an eyebrow.

            • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
              710·
              3 months ago

              Are you suggesting Trump would ever attack Biden for facilitating a genocide in Gaza? They agree on that policy!

            • John Richard@lemmy.world
              928·
              3 months ago

              Not that I want to support Biden’s policy on Israel in any way, it’s despicable

              So then don’t do it. Don’t lie for Joe & Kamala by attacking anyone who says something negative, even when true.

              Kamala has some good qualities in addition to her bad statements on the Palestine & the Middle East situation. The only way Democrats will change their bad qualities is if people stop sugarcoating the truth for them.

              Calling people Russian agents that call out the cultist & attack dogs for Democrats does nothing to help them or the party. It only makes you and them seem as fanatical & unhinged as Republicans calling every Democrat a commie.

    • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
      366·
      3 months ago

      Lol your defense of her is “anyone could be a Russian asset!” is like a textbook denial list. What’s the next stage?

      • John Richard@lemmy.world
        751·
        3 months ago

        The next stage is for you to call me a Russian agent for saying something you don’t like. Textbook denialism would be you presenting facts showing she is loyal to Russia, or working intentionally on their behalf, and then me denying it. Thus far your “evidence” is a Salon article with a headline that doesn’t even represent the story and makes baseless accusations.

        • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
          305·
          3 months ago

          Nah you’re just a lier, that’s all.
          I didn’t realize I presented evidence of anything, but ok.

          • John Richard@lemmy.world
            738·
            3 months ago

            You haven’t. That’s my point is that the blue MAGA cultists here are claiming Jill Stein works for Russia but they don’t have any facts to support it. They’re mad that facts don’t support their feelings.

            • empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              273·
              3 months ago

              claiming Jill Stein works for Russia but they don’t have any facts to support it.

              Everyone in this photo works for Putin and were there at the behest of Putin. Two Americans are in this photo. One was put in jail for a while because they lied about working for foreign actors, least of which is Russia. I’ll leave it to you to see who the other one is.

              All this evidence of Stein actively using GOP (and thus Russia) aligned assets/money and refusing to denounce Russia in any capacity until forced, only further drives nails in the coffin.

              Take a hike.

              • John Richard@lemmy.world
                624·
                3 months ago

                LOL… you got your 4chan QANON proof right there. A photo with little arrows without any facts or evidence that Jill Stein works for Putin. Jill Stein called Putin a war criminal. It’s really rich that you demand politicians call out war criminals, but you’re not demanding that Biden or Harris call Netanyahu a war criminal. You know who else Russia helped? Bernie Sanders. According to your logic, if Russia helped Bernie Sander’s campaign then he must be a Russian agent.

                You know there is this thing called talks with world leaders on a global stage as a politician, and this picture is nothing more than you desperately trying to paint a narrative without any supporting facts. You don’t even attempt to provide facts, but instead hope that most users will be a desperate as you are to ignore them thinking it will somehow make Trump lose.

                Just like the lap dogs that were here after the debate between Biden & Trump saying Biden did amazing and sounded sharp as a tack. Need I remind you, Biden was losing to Trump at that time in the polls by over 4 points and was on pace to cause Democrats to lose the House & Senate. Your way of helping almost cost Democrats chances of winning in 2024.

                Oh, here’s a picture for you BTW that using your logic shows that Biden works for Putin.

                https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Putin_in_Switzerland_2021_10.jpg/1280px-Putin_in_Switzerland_2021_10.jpg

                • empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                  153·
                  3 months ago

                  Oh, here’s a picture for you BTW that using your logic shows that Biden works for Putin.

                  …You know there is this thing called talks with world leaders on a global stage as a politician,

                  Incorrect equivalency, invalid argument. The difference there is Biden is the elected President of the United States. It is quite literally HIS JOB to meet with foreign heads of state, including Putin. I don’t suspect him of collaborating when he has public meetings with a foreign power. Hell, I don’t even suspect Trump when he had those meetings because it was unfortunately also his job. it was all the other shady shit we learn about and pro-Putin comments he’s made.
                  Stein is an unelected nobody with less than zero power in the US, except for the fact that she participates in and disrupts American elections. She has NO rights as an American citizen to be discussing anything with a foreign power that may be related to elections or policy or relations, which I guarantee she did at that dinner table. This is called the Logan Act, and she is an unauthorized representative.

                  Again, let me repeat this. SHE IS NOT A POLITICIAN, SHE IS AN UNELECTED CANDIDATE. SHE HAS ZERO RIGHT TO BE INTERACTING WITH ANY FOREIGN POWER IN ANY CAPACITY.

                  Jill Stein called Putin a war criminal.

                  After weaseling around the word for over 5 minutes in an interview, both-sidesing it the entire time, then releasing a half hearted press release the day after as damage control. Such a transparently obvious agenda that had to get “approved” before posting, it’s painful.

                  but you’re not demanding that Biden or Harris call Netanyahu a war criminal.

                  Words in my mouth, not relevant. I absolutely think Netanyahu is a war criminal and should be called as much, but we aren’t talking about him right now are we? Just had to make stuff up that I didn’t say.

                  You know who else Russia helped? Bernie Sanders. According to your logic, if Russia helped Bernie Sander’s campaign then he must be a Russian agent.

                  Correct, but he called them out on it and actively rejected any of their support.. Stein has made no such public rejection of their support. Also, maybe this should make you think really long and hard about why Russia might also want to support Stein and Trump this time around?

                  No offense, but this thread is over, because I am not going to waste any more time arguing with a bad-faith brick wall who is only here to spread misinformation. The outlined points above are for everyone else on the Fediverse. Have a nice work week!

                  • John Richard@lemmy.world
                    519·
                    3 months ago

                    Again your desperation is about painting pictures without evidence. However, you seem to forget things like this:

                    https://www.wsj.com/video/obama-medvedev-hot-mic-gaffe/5F7CF09D-CFD5-4805-A72C-3378D5F8371E

                    Or Obama’s controversial 2008 trips to Israel & Berlin where he not only did he discuss US policy, but he was there to get the support of the government & its people for his policy proposals.

                    Here we have a picture of Obama meeting with the Israeli President in Jerusalem on 07/23/2008 prior to becoming President.

                    Oh, look, here Obama is standing next to a war criminal on July 23, 2008:

                    Now had you actually read the Logan Act and had a clue about anything, you’d know that the Logan Act is specifically about prohibiting private citizens from conducting foreign policy and is rarely enforced unless someone is trying to substantially influence foreign policy against the current US administration’s stance.

                    I see where you’re coming from though. If you demand a third-party presidential candidate call someone a war criminal then they must do on your timeline cause you have much more experience than an actual presidential candidate about how they can best achieve future negotiations, but when the President you elected won’t call Netanyahu a war criminal then it doesn’t really matter to you that much, especially considering that you want to get the campaign/party re-elected that has reassured Netanyahu that they’ll keep sending money for genocide.

                    I see you want to run away now… maybe Kamala HQ is calling you right now saying their pro-genocide statements aren’t doing as well as they hoped and them gushing over Dick Cheney’s support didn’t get the positive reaction they had hoped. I wonder if they’ve figured out that their commitment to Netanyahu isn’t a good choice considering he’s working against the Democrats.

      • John Richard@lemmy.world
        521·
        3 months ago

        I don’t really know how to respond to that since you put “dick” in lowercase. If you want to conflate campaign with, with tour with, then by all means go read a dictionary. But if you want to see videos of Harris praising Dick Cheney, thanking him for his support & his service to this country, claiming, that he represents a “healthy” two-party system, then I can send you videos of the campaign events where she’s touring around with his daughter while she makes those statements.

          • basmatii@lemm.eeEnglish
            314·
            3 months ago

            Do you often make arguments up in your own head so you can feel like you won?

            • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
              104·
              3 months ago

              I don’t. But you sure do lol.

              Kamala campaigns with a war criminal (Dick Cheney).

              When pressed you people turn Dick into his daughter. It’s pretty entertaining watching you flail around so much. Please , go on.
              🍿

              • basmatii@lemm.eeEnglish
                412·
                3 months ago

                So you never actually read any responses and just went with whatever narrative fit your world view? Seems sad. Anyway Google Harris dick Cheney and pick your favorite propaganda outlet, even Fox says it’s real and a step towards biaprtisanship that hurts trump somehow

                  • basmatii@lemm.eeEnglish
                    413·
                    3 months ago

                    So you do like to make up your own narrative to protect your fragile world view.

          • John Richard@lemmy.world
            617·
            3 months ago

            Cheney endorses Kamala… starts speaking out against Trump, and Kamala starts praising Dick Cheney saying he’s one of the good ones and then goes on tour with Liz Cheney his daughter who has never renounced her father’s war crimes. Yeah, okay… totally, that is normal to have a war criminal endorse you and then boast about it and praise them afterwards.

            • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
              104·
              3 months ago

              Uh huh, anyways. Let’s see those campaign photos or videos of Dick Chaney with Harris.
              We’ll wait.

              • John Richard@lemmy.world
                615·
                3 months ago

                Again, pick up a dictionary. Campaigning together doesn’t mean that they have to be seen together. It can be Dick Cheney doing public interviews saying how he’s voting for Harris, while Harris is praising him saying:

                https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7S-Sk2TbdjE

                And that she’s honored to have their endorsement:

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNVoSdUHw5I

                My favorite is the lady standing behind her while she calls Dick Cheney a leader who is well respected with wide eyes like “Kamala, why are you so stupid to say that and do it in front of me?!?”

    • Soup@lemmy.cafeEnglish
      105·
      3 months ago

      Is it any different than a socialist that accuses anyone that disagrees with them of being a genocide supporter?

      • Maeve@midwest.social
        28·
        3 months ago

        I mean if you keep funding genocide to the tune of billions when kids can’t eat at school and veterans are homeless, it’s not not supporting genocide.

        • Soup@lemmy.cafeEnglish
          42·
          3 months ago

          Tell us you have no idea how any of this works after it’s been already been explained to you a thousand times without telling us you have no idea how any of this works after it’s been already been explained to you a thousand times.

          The “funding of genocide” as you call it is actually an agreement that the US has had with Israel for decades. And unless you know exactly what that agreement details, and have a firm understanding of how nuanced diplomacy works outside of video games, I’d suggest that instead of being a smart-ass on the internet about things you don’t understand- you read up on how it all works.

          Because it Is in NO WAY supporting genocide to continue a pact agreed upon. And if you think the US can just cancel that- you REALLY need to brush up on how this shit actually works in the real world.

          It’s VERY complicated.

          NPR had leading experts on this exact thing a few mornings ago. Even they said when asked why the US continues to uphold this agreement- that it isn’t easy to get out of these things without escalating the situation.

          So unless you know more about this than they do- maybe stop arguing with everyone when they tell you you’re wrong.