Ummm we still have like 5 million votes to count in california alone, stop posting incomplete statistics as if they are comparable to previous years full statistics
Ummm the votes aren’t counted but they have been received and accepted, which means the voters’ names and parties are known. We were getting numbers of voters by party for weeks before election day as mail-in ballots were received. But you’re getting a lot of upvotes so clearly you must be right anyway.
Long shot, but it would be funny af if kamal ends up winning the popular vote
She won’t. But this post is misinformation and should probably be removed.
Again, this isn’t vote counts it’s votes by party. We were getting these counts before election day as ballots were received, because they are validated upon receipt, thus identifying the voter and their party before counting who they voted for.
I get what your saying and I agree, but it’s funny/sad that you could add all 5 million of those votes to the Dems and the graphic would still be making the same point.
Not really. 5% decrease is a small decrase, 12% decrease is pretty huge.
Well for one thing, it would go to a 7.5% decrease not sure where you split the hairs on that and as I mentioned that would be in the best case scenario where every last one of those 5 million votes went to Harris, which they wouldn’t. Comparing any of those to a .75% change makes it nuts.
Take 5% off you salary and see if you still think that’s a small decrease.
40$. Annoying but rather small.
Wouldn’t tickle my funny bone.
I’m reporting this. Not beautiful. Very painful. Make me cry.
Cool! Key takeaway for me from this is Trump didn’t get more popular, Dems just got way less popular. Kind of brings a bit of my hope in humanity back a little
It’s actually crazy to see how little his numbers changed. Like, in the grand scheme of things, they didn’t change at all. 500,000 more people. Across the country. That’s nominal.
If the democrats continue to push this narrative that “swing voters” decided this election, we know we are well and truly fucked.
The fact that anyone voted for Trump killed my hope in humanity
Still kinda sucks that the Dems lost popularity. I wonder if it would have been different if Biden was on ticket.
Honestly there’s almost no way a sitting president gains popularity but considering his stance on Israel and stuff he sure as hell would lose some. I honestly don’t think it would have been better.
Maybe being more policy specific would have helped Kamala. But the Democrats just have so much PR damage they haven’t addressed over time, they are not doing themselves any favors. Humility can be an incredible thing but if you’re a politician being humble is the hardest thing to fake, so if you’re not, you’re not gonna try if you’re smart enough.
As a leftist (not in the US though) we just gotta take the L and that’s that. I’ll be waiting for the drop in support for Republicans after the fact and the following damage report from Rumpsteak’s presidency. Let’s just hope we get a competent cleaning crew to deal with the damage.
Also reminder that I’m on the hindsight 20/20 high horse so it’s very easy to criticize, but I genuinely thought Kamala had a chance and it was a good idea so it’s not like I make a good oracle lol.
I’m always confused by the need for the Democrats to be more policy specific, when they’re the only party that actually shares any policy.
I feel like people aren’t saying they’re unsure of the specifics of Kamala’s policy points, so they’re going to instead vote for the guy who rambles incoherently for an hour about evil Mexicans.I’m not deeply into politics but it seems to me that the Democrats have a marketing problem. An analogy about “policy” is getting user feedback on a product and acting on what the user thinks resolves the problem rather than coming up with proper solution design
I think this shows a lot of potential Kamala voters chose not to vote, instead of going to the orange Julius. Democrats have to be more specific with policy because leftists demand it. The right (Trumps base) doesn’t care.
I’d be curious to know how many left the vote blank because of the gencodie, but they will never collect or report on such a statistic. Its forbidden, even now.
It’s great to know theyre complete jackasses who would rather take trump than someone who represents 70% of what they want.
Very comforting, very logical.
Not only every single polling data indicates that otherwise, but lots of analysis are also identifying Harris’ interview on the View, where she stated that “nothing comes to mind” when they asked her what would she have done differently from Biden as one her campaigns biggest blunders.
I don’t see how her statement can be considered a blunder in a world where the winner jacked off his microphone, had a full on dementia sundowning episode during a town hall, and espoused at length about the hog Arnold Palmer was crankin’.
What was Kamala gonna do to top that? Peg JD’s favorite couch on stage, and then motorboat Cardi B while Carmen plays in the background?
Their focus on everything but the economy during the campaign killed them. If they’d announced a major economic stimulus campaign to get folks back to where they were before the pandemic they’d have won. That gaffe on the view pegged Kamala as completely out of touch with what’s going on for working class people who are struggling.
From what I could tell the campaign platform was “We’re not trump, and btw we support women and we ❤️ PoC/LGBTQ+” (which is essentially the same campaign Hillary ran and lost with.)
They didn’t brag about how many jobs they created with the infrastructure spending acts and didn’t announce any further plans to keep that going. If they did then they certainly failed to fill the air with it. There was no message of change and hope which, let’s be honest, after 35+y of leaving the bottom 80% out of the Wall St economy a huge number of people were waiting to hear.
Also “we love PoC” comes off as quite cynical as they support slaughtering brown people en masse and denied them to even speak about it while still wanting to endorse Harris. Meanwhile the white people whose country is doing the slaughter got a prominent place on stage to talk about their grievances.
It would have been even worse.
It isn’t hard for me to believe that 1 in 8 people would refuse to vote someone because their gender or color.
On a side note, I’m getting older and losing touch with new music, but are women’s punk rock bands not as popular as I once remember them being or what? The world could use a little more fuck the patriarchy.
Ugh that’s depressing but I think you’re right.
It doesn’t help anything but if you consider that our population grew by 6 million during that time and 22% (kids) can’t vote. Then say that only 46% of the population votes… Trump should have had right over 2 million more votes this election, aka he lost votes when accounting for population growth.
Somehow Kamala is the patriarchy though?!:-P
Not as much as The Donald, ofc, but Kamala came across as being basically the same as Joe Biden, or at least it looks like that was what she was aiming for.
Im not sure, but I feel like girl led punk rock is making a resurgence lately, though the definition of what punk rock is may be arguable
Grlwood is an artist that comes to mind, but there are others for sure
Checkout ‘fuck me up’ from them
I think it would’ve been significantly worse had he been still running
I wonder if it would have been different if Biden was on ticket.
It would have been way, way worse.
When the final count is done, the sad news is that he did get more popular. And the wildest thing is the demographics that he got more popular with.
Although I’ve been pointing at these numbers as well, it’s worth noting that the effects of the electoral college is still important.
Dem votes were up in PA and GA from 2020. Maybe other swing states as well, haven’t looked. Trump’s just went up more.
Either way, I think all of the brilliant minds who decided to withhold their votes for Kamala for whatever reason maybe weren’t being very pragmatic given the reality of the binary outcome set.
We must be truly desperate to look to the electoral college for help.
So Trumps base is just his base. It’s the 100million plus over 18 and probably eligible to vote (extrapolated from 2020 census numbers, with 77.9% over 18) folks sitting this one out or voting 3rd party.
What were the 2016 numbers? I bet his base is right there near 74mil again.
Trump 62,984,828
Hillary 65,853,514
Dang I can’t believe Hillary lost with 3 million more votes. That’s insane considering Harris could have won ALL the swing states other than Florida for around a million votes.
You and me both. Imagine where we’d be without Trump.
If Hilary had won in 2016, Trump would have won in 2020. The democrats are neoliberal, neoliberal rule will always push people towards fascism.
Tbf, theyre still counting some ballots, although minimal
Soooo I thought they were still counting some states? Not enough to change the outcome, but perhaps enough to change assessments about voter engagement.
Yes and no. California isn’t done, along with a few others. The numbers will continue to go up for both of them, and Harris will close the gap, but all in all it won’t change things too much.
Here’s a chart I made of the differences:
2012 2016 2020 2024Republican 60.9M ──────▶ 63.0M ──────▶ 74.2M ──────▶ 74.1M Democrat 65.9M ──────▶ 65.9M ──────▶ 81.2M ──────▶ 70.3M Libertarian 1.3M ──────▶ 4.5M ──────▶ 1.9M ──────▶ 0.6M Green 0.5M ──────▶ 1.5M ──────▶ 0.4M ──────▶ 0.7M (Votes in the millions)
- Interesting Libertarian went way up the first time trump ran then back down the second time and even further the third. Does that mean they switched to trump or didn’t run? What makes a libertarian dislike trump the first time but prefer him the first and second?
- Green also went up the first and third time trump ran. One might assume they voted biden the second but maybe harris or not vote the third?
- Democrats went up the second time trump ran but it seems lost 10 mil the third time
- Appears around 12 mil voters are unaccounted for or didn’t vote
People need motivation to vote. A selective tax credit or “other guy bad” simply isn’t enough. You can complain all you want about how stupid people are for not voting against fascism, but if you cannot face the reality of voters and how to get them to vote then how much smarter can you really call yourself over others? This is a lesson that apparently needs to be learned every election yet never seems to be learned.
One of my team members is based in the US, and he told me after the election: “The media told us all about how bad Trump was. But nobody ever told us how good Kamala was.” I guess voting only for the lesser evil has its limits.
Honestly not even Kamala said how good she was, most of what she was asked she immediately turned into “Trump bad”.
Honestly a lot of the questions in interviews were she did that, she was given a tough question that had the easy out of taking the more progressive stance but instead of giving a firm answer she’d attack Trump, presumably because she didn’t want to be too “radical” in supporting policies that voters generally like
Oh, the Republicans will give them a reason to vote, just wait a bit and see, lol. If Republicans deregulating banks caused a “great recession”, I’m very curious what voters just bought for us by voting for a platform of deregulating everything.
No, I think people will enjoy the taste of curb and a swift kick to the head for the next 4-8 years. It really puts things in perspective.
And that’ll work exactly once, just like it did in 2020. Then after four more years of compromising with fascism, it won’t work again, and they’ll lose to the greater evil.
Just kidding, we’re not going to have real elections again.
Just kidding, we’re not going to have real elections again.
Absolutely. One Russian opposition politician described Putin’s first term by saying: “We thought we could get rid of him in the next elections.” But that didn’t happen as we know. When someone comes to power and quickly removes checks and balances, it becomes very difficult to reverse that. Democracy is not guaranteed, even in the US.
The problem also is that there was quite a bit of voter intimidation of people with Trump flags heavily armed in some places “to make sure it’s a fair election”, Trump supporters choosing violence, and other issues like ballot boxes being burned, and ballots not coming to people preventing them from voting.
This could help explain why 10 million less votes happened this year for the Democrats because they could have been fearful of voting or just unable.
(And this also doesn’t include mailing ballots just being refused to be counted over simple issues as signatures not looking close enough to what’s on file.)
Truly spoken.
Lot of pro-status-quo sentiment on Lemmy. The election is over too so bots might not be as high, a potential indicator of actual sentiment of Lemmings.
Have to keep pushing this else nothing ever changes
Progressive issues poll astronomically high across dems, repubs, and independents. Find one. Say you will do it, and people will come vote for it.
Won’t anyone think of the Super PAC donors? /$
Dems unmistakeably snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, but it beggars belief that all the indictments and treason didn’t undermine Trump’s popularity any. The right-wing media machine must be one of the most effective brainwashing apparatuses ever to exist.
They have perfected targeted misinformation. you should see how many fake accounts there are even in local Facebook groups. It’s crazy.
You can call it brainwashing or whatever you like.
To me, the fact that Trump’s indictments came as a result of enormous attention by his political rivals, during an election, gives me less respect for the implications in terms of his character.
Like, the timing is a little suspect on these legal indictments.
What’s your stance on the about with Hilary before and during the election up to and including Trump pressing for investigation and moreso to “lock her up”.
They didn’t vote “for him” so he didn’t matter, they voted instead against trans athletes and forced child trans surgeries and whatever other manufactured conspiracy theories were peddled confidently.
It’s more about the puberty blockers than surgery. That’s the focus from my media sources.
Are they doing surgeries on kids too?
Oh you know how it is - they throw just a ton of stuff out there in order to see what will stick. Yeah puberty blockers are among them - and ngl that is kinda messed up if a doctor is trying to push something that dangerous onto a child (established trans communities in the EU even agree on that point - yikes, how bad does something have to be when even the conservatives manage to piece together a half-assed understanding that something is dangerous!?).
But there’s so much more - trans athletes being in the same bathroom and how unfair it is that e.g. a testosterone-having person can compete on identical grounds as one lacking that. That one too is a hot topic of contention even outside of conservative circles as well.
The surgery issue was more like “gender-affirming care offered at a school”, and iirc it was mostly a purely hypothetical, b/c since when is America known for offering HEALTHCARE, amiright!? Also, I said “forced”, but the real thing was that the child wanted it, while the parents did not, hence you know, “forced”, b/c the parents (who own the child, fully legally) did not desire it.
The real truths, like abortion, and the economy, and literally all other facts, kinda get buried when we begin to discuss how factual matters can best be “used” for political gains.
Apparently the Dems where aware of the massive popularity Trump had. Their internal polling showed him taking 400 electoral votes. At least that’s the story being brought now. If true there never was a jaws of victory, it was all posturing by the Dems. And then it’s a shame those 71M voters still came, more should have stayed home… to signal the party top brass to go fuck themselves.
Well he didn’t get 400 electoral votes, so their sources weren’t good. Though vs Biden he might have.
Yes, and the fact that Biden stepped down and endorsed Harris, nuking a democratic primary should be seen in a completely different light then.
Isn’t it already known that the trump fans are zealots for him. The fact that people are shocked that they’ll turn out for him regardless of what he does surprises me. He practically said this in 2016 with his I could shoot somebody quote and he’s been proven right. The only way you beat trump is by having people turn out to vote against him and to do that you need to run an inspiring campaign.
For fucks sake, THE VOTES ARE NOT ALL COUNTED YET. It is too early to be making graphs like this, its just misleading.
As of right now, California is reporting about 72% of the expected total, at about 12 million votes. If the ratio is maintained, we can expect about 2.8 million more votes for Harris from California alone. And Trump can expect another 1.8 million from California.
There are a couple hundred thousand votes to count in each of Oregon, Maryland, and DC.
I mean most states have less than 1% of votes left to count. What change are you expecting from this graph?
Millions more votes from California, Harris and Trump will both get 40% more votes than they have now by the time counting is complete. That’s 2.9 million for Harris and 1.9 for Trump. Completely changes the graph. Harris lost something like 5-10% of Biden electorate and Trump gained a few percent of his. Still bad for Harris but doesn’t support the narrative this chart wants to be true.
40% more votes than they have now is 28 million votes each. There is definitely not 56 million more votes to count. At best there’s about a million more left to count. Over 150 million votes have already been counted. That’s just about the vast majority of votes cast
How did 10 million fewer Democrat voters, only +500k to Republicans, but have basically the same high voter turnout?
It’s looking like a slightly lower turnout, but also there’s 5+ million votes still to count. So Trump will gain votes even though turnout is down. Pretty bad times, never been more disappointed in the electorate.
When you find yourself disappointed with the world, that’s a good moment to stop and ask yourself “what am I not seeing?”
where did you get that we have the same turnout both times?
Honour and Cultivation said so
Does anyone have the % change by state?
Not that I expect to see anything weird, but 12.4% stands out to me.
Damn, Trump’s cult secretly genocided 10 million liberals in 4 years!
I can believe that Trump won on the backs of “people voting only for Trump and no one else on the ballot”, since Trump was running far ahead of all the other republican candidates. Means once Trump dies of old age, there will be a power vacuum. Remember, democrats have run two women and Biden in the decade span that republicans have only ran Trump.
