I can believe that Trump won on the backs of “people voting only for Trump and no one else on the ballot”, since Trump was running far ahead of all the other republican candidates. Means once Trump dies of old age, there will be a power vacuum. Remember, democrats have run two women and Biden in the decade span that republicans have only ran Trump.
The ones who didn’t show up elected Trump. Good job, self-righteous dipshits.
They didn’t show up because they spent four years under Trump and four years under Biden, and all they got for the effort of voting in those elections was being significantly poorer, so why forego a day’s pay?
You’re the self-righteous dipshit for not caring about the quality of people you vote for.
Who would have thought giving trillions in Tax refunds to billionaires would result in the rest of the population being worse off?!??? And the nerve of Biden using policy to stop the runaway inflation Trump caused! Don’t worry, those people are all about to find out what real pain is when the cost of things start reflecting trumps proposed tariffs…
Hey this is neat, but can you include lines to relate it to the number of eligible voters?
could you do it since you are the one that wants to see it ?
So I just checked, but couldn’t find any data yet for 2024. The US Census Bureau has data online up to 2022, same for Statista. Judging from the past releases it would take a year or so for the information to be compiled and released. Looks like we’ll have to wait.
Shouldn’t they have changed by the same amount?
No. Why would they? Even if everyone voted (which isn’t even remotely close to being true) populations also change.
where are the rest of the parties?
In all the swing states they were less than the difference between the two parties.
Eessentially Democrats last i checked and calculated on Friday lost 4 swing states that would change the outcome by around 250k votes.
The others are saying no one cares or they don’t matter, but they do if that’s where those “missing” votes went
According to Wikipedia data, it’s a decrease of 0.3 percentage points from 1.9% in 2020 to 1.6% of votes that didn’t go democrat or republican.
Though 5% of the votes are still not reported, so that might change still.
It is not
They didn’t matter
On the “no one cares about the other parties” graph
Ummm we still have like 5 million votes to count in california alone, stop posting incomplete statistics as if they are comparable to previous years full statistics
Ummm the votes aren’t counted but they have been received and accepted, which means the voters’ names and parties are known. We were getting numbers of voters by party for weeks before election day as mail-in ballots were received. But you’re getting a lot of upvotes so clearly you must be right anyway.
Long shot, but it would be funny af if kamal ends up winning the popular vote
Wouldn’t tickle my funny bone.
She won’t. But this post is misinformation and should probably be removed.
Again, this isn’t vote counts it’s votes by party. We were getting these counts before election day as ballots were received, because they are validated upon receipt, thus identifying the voter and their party before counting who they voted for.
I get what your saying and I agree, but it’s funny/sad that you could add all 5 million of those votes to the Dems and the graphic would still be making the same point.
Not really. 5% decrease is a small decrase, 12% decrease is pretty huge.
Well for one thing, it would go to a 7.5% decrease not sure where you split the hairs on that and as I mentioned that would be in the best case scenario where every last one of those 5 million votes went to Harris, which they wouldn’t. Comparing any of those to a .75% change makes it nuts.
Take 5% off you salary and see if you still think that’s a small decrease.
40$. Annoying but rather small.
“When someone shows you who they are, believe them…”
They’ve told you with the “eating the dogs” comments and hundreds of other examples… They aren’t afraid to confidently lie to win…
They’ve told you they believe they are in a way that they would die and kill to win…
Remember, years of false, unsubstantiated outrage is meant to dilute challenge to actual crimes and horror. Some things to think about…
We can have measured confirmation, without conspiracy. We will review this election and make evidence-based arguments.
The richest man in the world owns thousands of SW engineers that remain in his companies (after all with any morality have been purged through years of labor abuse). He joked with carlson about how he was completely fucked if trump didn’t win. What do you think the richest man in the world is capable of in that moment?
It is surprising that the presidential Democratic candidate finally lost a popular vote after 20+ years, but currently it appears that she just lost. Sure, do a recount of a sample of suspected precincts. I am going to continue to believe that this is a conspiracy theory until substantiated evidence of fraud is provided.
As an aside, those images are small and I could barely read them (zooming didn’t increase image size).
Summary of evidence and concerns: Trump is a Russian asset working for Putin (see book American Kompromat by journalist Craig Unger or Active Measures documentary with Hillary Clinton(1), sources below). Elon and Trump are working together (2). They both have substantial ties to Epstein (3) (4) (5) (6). Trump stole election software in 2020 (7). Similarly, Elon Musk has been in contact with Russia for the last 2 years (8). This includes during the Ukraine War when Russia began using Starlink (9) while it was claimed they got them third party and not from Musk himself; however now appears imo to show Elon is a doublecrosser.
Starlink, Elon’s satellite company, was installed in some voting machines across the country (10) and may have interfered with vote tabulation. Voting machines were found to be connected to the internet (11). An independent report on voting machines concluded that tabulation tampering was possible with current voting machines, so hand counts are vital (12). In September, Politico had an investigation finding Russian malware on a state voter registration database (13). Also, there were malicious fake texts from fake DNC organizations, connected to Elon who donated to them, that were fishing voter info (14).
Elon had results of election on an app 4 hours before official counts had it (15), per Joe Rogan podcast in a discussion to Theo Von. Earlier this year, Tana Monogeau, released info that she’d been offered millions of dollars to endorse the Trump campaign and that she knew others had taken the deal (16).
They will release more info admitting their fraud because they are a Russian asset trying to start a civil war here (speculation). They want us to be confused about sources and who to trust and what’s real, they want to release the truth to anger us and lies to anger us. Trump has refused to write an ethics statement for transition of power saying he will transition peacefully (17). JD Vance has also told the EU that unless they allow X unfettered access to the EU (to spread propaganda), they will withdraw the US from NATO (18) - which will prompt wars or takeover either way and weakens Germany, who is entering an election since their government couldn’t agree on Ukraine budget. A Russian space chief said Elon Musk’s plan to bomb Mars is a cover to put nuclear weapons in space (19).
Also speculation, are reports of widespread ballot rejection, especially for signatures. There are articles claiming already that it is because GenZ does not know cursive (20) - except the signature simply must match your driver’s license. It’s not a cursive writing test. Avocado toast but with gen z voting fraud. We do not yet have the ballot rejection rates but typically they are around 1% to 1.5% (21).
Crypto is how right wing conservatism got funded here. It’s why it took off- it was basically UBI for those men, funded by foreign intelligence for this purpose along with other uses for crypto like dark money, drugs, trafficking, etc (22)(23). The least informed people we knew were investing in crypto when it was starting, mining bitcoins. They couldn’t tell you what a stock or tariff is, yet they were making bank in crypto trading. Crypto trading, especially memecoins, appears to be an obvious scam to most because it’s the stock market without ownership. So why were these 4chan pedophiles and nazis doing so well? Because it was just meant to give them money the whole time. And crypto is great for transferring money internationally from shady organizations to shady people (24). Far right catchphrases and meme campaigns dispersed online including X, give out the key words/catchphrases for the new coin that isn’t a scam and will disperse money. People who are deep in these groups interner algorithms get these keywords first and normal outsiders will either not notice or will stay away. No normal person wants a coin that references Hitler if they are just scrolling memecoins.
Once the government has been taken over, they can force their memecoin as the national currency and then rug pull, which is also what Musk is likely going to do to Tesla at the same time. The entire point is to bankrupt America for Putin and his cartoon villain cohorts. Musk is already saying he wants to withdraw from US currency due to national debt (Trump added most of the national debt) (25).
If you’re in Germany, take note. They are coming for you next, your election is soon.
News Links
(1) https://youtu.be/5umiMThrlsA
(3) https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/03/trump-infiltrate-voting-machines-georgia-2020.html
(4) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-interview.html
(6) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fire-and-fury-the-podcast/id1750757108
(7) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/trump-jeffrey-epstein-tapes
(11) www.nbcnews.com/news/ncna1112436
(13) https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/01/us-election-software-national-security-threats-00176615
(15) https://grabien.com/story.php?id=499986
(16) https://www.buzzfeed.com/natashajokic1/tana-mongeau-paid-political-endorsement
(17) https://apnews.com/article/trump-transition-planning-ca3a6be50d147b04b6498184e5599b1e
(20) https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-voters-struggle-signatures-cast-mail-ballot-problems-2024-11
(21) https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2024:_Analysis_of_rejected_ballots
(23) https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/10/opinion/crypto-cryptocurrency-money-conspiracy.html
Personal Testimony from the dickbags themselves:
youtube.com/live/HBPNfAUPz08?si=PZQa_D_wbN9VoA6y
In the first minute:
“Your votes are rigged. We can win New Mexico.”
“If you can watch your vote counter, if we can bring God down from heaven (he’s referencing Starlink), we can win this, win California, win a lot of states.”
“If [Trump] loses, I’m f*cked… How long do you think my prison sentence is going to be?”
Why does Elon think he would go to prison though? For what crime?
youtu.be/Zmc0EN8XAY8?si=5u_mJNte37r4JmUb
Trump:“Our little secret is having a big impact”
If Trump was so sure the election was rigged and they were going to turnover every state including California, then why hasn’t he asked for a recount in all the states with representatives that didn’t get elected that he thought would be? Shouldn’t he be suing for recounts? He did it last time. Why doesn’t he want an investigation this time?
I’m really sorry, but I think it’s much more likely that the Democratic platform was very unpopular because it didn’t really appeal to what voters cared about. It’s tempting to start considering conspiracy theories, and it’s good to be skeptical of the systems which govern us, but I don’t think it’s very likely that election interference occurred in this case.
There is plenty of evidence of voters who are really disillusioned with the democrats because they just don’t seem to be focused on the things that matter to the average working class voter - the cost of living going up while wages remain stagnant, entire sectors of the economy being captured by monopolies, public services and infrastructure crumbling, health care and education becoming harder and harder to access…
The democrats are the party of socially liberal, wealthy people. The republicans are the party of socially conservative, wealthy people. This time, more people believed the republicans lies than the democrats lies.
Holy misinformation that’s a lot.
Did you read any of these sources or watch the videos? The Starlink (10) claim is BS, as anyone with ears who watched that video can see.
That’s a link to a local news station…
Baldwin says access to connectivity was improved this year thanks to Starlink satellite internet.
Is it so hard to believe that a majority of theamerican population is just shit and the dems ran an especially bad campaign?
Ah yes, the classic WHEN IF/ELSE function
It gave me a chuckle.
Do you have more information on that claim that Starship was being used for tabulation in swing states?
Looks like that Kathleen person is making that claim, I’d reach out to them if you’d like expansion. I’m not on Twitter so can’t engage further. If anything, I imagine “starship” would be a common spell check correction of “starlink” as it’s a made up marketing word. To that, seems she’d be referring to the recently discussed rumors about musk starlink satellites somehow being involved in the collection/transmission of vote counts in some areas (I haven’t looked into or seen any direct evidence of that specifically), alongside things like Joe rogan just saying that musk “had an app” and he “knew the election result 4 hours before it was called”.
I’m more interested in hearing more about the “under ballot” concerns and the person outlining the simple way to get clarity here with strategic confirmation of votes in a couple counties with especially prevalent shifts as illustrative of larger potential issues.
I’ve seen a young women very stressed out talking in a video-tweet (originally from TikTok) about how a hacker-friend who works in IT security told her how the starlink satellites communicate with Linux servers which per se can’t “split the signal” and therefore could not correctly count the vote. I could have stopped the video there. If that’s Kathleen either her “friend” deliberately misinformed her or she is a grifter.
Than the pretty sure straight up fabricated lies about controlled crashes.
Also the fishy af Joe Rogan telling his bros about how Elmo created an app to get the election results beforehand was either a troll by Mask or Rogan not getting that the polls just concluded that Traitor in Chief couldn’t lose anymore.
OTOH I’ve seen a believable video-tweet from a mid 30 very american looking and speaking women in very american looking home with a kid in the background who shouted something very adorable to her.
She talked about that she was requesting the status of her mail-in ballot from the election office and that it wasn’t set to counted and/or that they couldn’t find it, I don’t remember exactly. She seemed very authentic.
Republicans cry foul with every election. The Dems should call for a recount too.
We should always do a recount.
I still find it more likely that most of America is just very misogynist and in denial about it.
seems more lopsided than it should
People need motivation to vote. A selective tax credit or “other guy bad” simply isn’t enough. You can complain all you want about how stupid people are for not voting against fascism, but if you cannot face the reality of voters and how to get them to vote then how much smarter can you really call yourself over others? This is a lesson that apparently needs to be learned every election yet never seems to be learned.
Truly spoken.
Lot of pro-status-quo sentiment on Lemmy. The election is over too so bots might not be as high, a potential indicator of actual sentiment of Lemmings.
Have to keep pushing this else nothing ever changes
Progressive issues poll astronomically high across dems, repubs, and independents. Find one. Say you will do it, and people will come vote for it.
Won’t anyone think of the Super PAC donors? /$
The problem also is that there was quite a bit of voter intimidation of people with Trump flags heavily armed in some places “to make sure it’s a fair election”, Trump supporters choosing violence, and other issues like ballot boxes being burned, and ballots not coming to people preventing them from voting.
This could help explain why 10 million less votes happened this year for the Democrats because they could have been fearful of voting or just unable.
(And this also doesn’t include mailing ballots just being refused to be counted over simple issues as signatures not looking close enough to what’s on file.)
One of my team members is based in the US, and he told me after the election: “The media told us all about how bad Trump was. But nobody ever told us how good Kamala was.” I guess voting only for the lesser evil has its limits.
Honestly not even Kamala said how good she was, most of what she was asked she immediately turned into “Trump bad”.
Honestly a lot of the questions in interviews were she did that, she was given a tough question that had the easy out of taking the more progressive stance but instead of giving a firm answer she’d attack Trump, presumably because she didn’t want to be too “radical” in supporting policies that voters generally like
Oh, the Republicans will give them a reason to vote, just wait a bit and see, lol. If Republicans deregulating banks caused a “great recession”, I’m very curious what voters just bought for us by voting for a platform of deregulating everything.
No, I think people will enjoy the taste of curb and a swift kick to the head for the next 4-8 years. It really puts things in perspective.
And that’ll work exactly once, just like it did in 2020. Then after four more years of compromising with fascism, it won’t work again, and they’ll lose to the greater evil.
Just kidding, we’re not going to have real elections again.
Just kidding, we’re not going to have real elections again.
Absolutely. One Russian opposition politician described Putin’s first term by saying: “We thought we could get rid of him in the next elections.” But that didn’t happen as we know. When someone comes to power and quickly removes checks and balances, it becomes very difficult to reverse that. Democracy is not guaranteed, even in the US.
How did 10 million fewer Democrat voters, only +500k to Republicans, but have basically the same high voter turnout?
It’s looking like a slightly lower turnout, but also there’s 5+ million votes still to count. So Trump will gain votes even though turnout is down. Pretty bad times, never been more disappointed in the electorate.
When you find yourself disappointed with the world, that’s a good moment to stop and ask yourself “what am I not seeing?”
where did you get that we have the same turnout both times?
Honour and Cultivation said so
Damn, Trump’s cult secretly genocided 10 million liberals in 4 years!
Does anyone have the % change by state?
Not that I expect to see anything weird, but 12.4% stands out to me.
Dems unmistakeably snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, but it beggars belief that all the indictments and treason didn’t undermine Trump’s popularity any. The right-wing media machine must be one of the most effective brainwashing apparatuses ever to exist.
You can call it brainwashing or whatever you like.
To me, the fact that Trump’s indictments came as a result of enormous attention by his political rivals, during an election, gives me less respect for the implications in terms of his character.
Like, the timing is a little suspect on these legal indictments.
What’s your stance on the about with Hilary before and during the election up to and including Trump pressing for investigation and moreso to “lock her up”.
They have perfected targeted misinformation. you should see how many fake accounts there are even in local Facebook groups. It’s crazy.
Isn’t it already known that the trump fans are zealots for him. The fact that people are shocked that they’ll turn out for him regardless of what he does surprises me. He practically said this in 2016 with his I could shoot somebody quote and he’s been proven right. The only way you beat trump is by having people turn out to vote against him and to do that you need to run an inspiring campaign.
They didn’t vote “for him” so he didn’t matter, they voted instead against trans athletes and forced child trans surgeries and whatever other manufactured conspiracy theories were peddled confidently.
It’s more about the puberty blockers than surgery. That’s the focus from my media sources.
Are they doing surgeries on kids too?
Oh you know how it is - they throw just a ton of stuff out there in order to see what will stick. Yeah puberty blockers are among them - and ngl that is kinda messed up if a doctor is trying to push something that dangerous onto a child (established trans communities in the EU even agree on that point - yikes, how bad does something have to be when even the conservatives manage to piece together a half-assed understanding that something is dangerous!?).
But there’s so much more - trans athletes being in the same bathroom and how unfair it is that e.g. a testosterone-having person can compete on identical grounds as one lacking that. That one too is a hot topic of contention even outside of conservative circles as well.
The surgery issue was more like “gender-affirming care offered at a school”, and iirc it was mostly a purely hypothetical, b/c since when is America known for offering HEALTHCARE, amiright!? Also, I said “forced”, but the real thing was that the child wanted it, while the parents did not, hence you know, “forced”, b/c the parents (who own the child, fully legally) did not desire it.
The real truths, like abortion, and the economy, and literally all other facts, kinda get buried when we begin to discuss how factual matters can best be “used” for political gains.
Apparently the Dems where aware of the massive popularity Trump had. Their internal polling showed him taking 400 electoral votes. At least that’s the story being brought now. If true there never was a jaws of victory, it was all posturing by the Dems. And then it’s a shame those 71M voters still came, more should have stayed home… to signal the party top brass to go fuck themselves.
Well he didn’t get 400 electoral votes, so their sources weren’t good. Though vs Biden he might have.
Yes, and the fact that Biden stepped down and endorsed Harris, nuking a democratic primary should be seen in a completely different light then.
For fucks sake, THE VOTES ARE NOT ALL COUNTED YET. It is too early to be making graphs like this, its just misleading.
As of right now, California is reporting about 72% of the expected total, at about 12 million votes. If the ratio is maintained, we can expect about 2.8 million more votes for Harris from California alone. And Trump can expect another 1.8 million from California.
There are a couple hundred thousand votes to count in each of Oregon, Maryland, and DC.
I mean most states have less than 1% of votes left to count. What change are you expecting from this graph?
Millions more votes from California, Harris and Trump will both get 40% more votes than they have now by the time counting is complete. That’s 2.9 million for Harris and 1.9 for Trump. Completely changes the graph. Harris lost something like 5-10% of Biden electorate and Trump gained a few percent of his. Still bad for Harris but doesn’t support the narrative this chart wants to be true.
40% more votes than they have now is 28 million votes each. There is definitely not 56 million more votes to count. At best there’s about a million more left to count. Over 150 million votes have already been counted. That’s just about the vast majority of votes cast
Here’s a chart I made of the differences:
2012 2016 2020 2024Republican 60.9M ──────▶ 63.0M ──────▶ 74.2M ──────▶ 74.1M Democrat 65.9M ──────▶ 65.9M ──────▶ 81.2M ──────▶ 70.3M Libertarian 1.3M ──────▶ 4.5M ──────▶ 1.9M ──────▶ 0.6M Green 0.5M ──────▶ 1.5M ──────▶ 0.4M ──────▶ 0.7M (Votes in the millions)
- Interesting Libertarian went way up the first time trump ran then back down the second time and even further the third. Does that mean they switched to trump or didn’t run? What makes a libertarian dislike trump the first time but prefer him the first and second?
- Green also went up the first and third time trump ran. One might assume they voted biden the second but maybe harris or not vote the third?
- Democrats went up the second time trump ran but it seems lost 10 mil the third time
- Appears around 12 mil voters are unaccounted for or didn’t vote
