Bytes, my man, you need an archived link. https://nitter.net/PabloReports/status/1919822694477947003#m
Edit: A reminder to go after the argument, not the users. No troll baiting.
Just curious, why?
Are we expecting the original to get deleted?
Trying to avoid fake tweets while also not sending traffic to Twitter.
Was the post edited since these comments? Because the image is just a screenshot they seem to have uploaded to slr.punk itself; it doesn’t go to Twitter at all.
A screenshot is worthless as a source.
You need a link to the post to prove the tweet is real, and an archived link to prove it was real in case it gets deleted.
Xcancel works better
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It’s just an x frontend that correctly embeds lol
Oh nice!!
Cops will take as much freedom as you give them and often they will attempt more than they have been granted. Never give cops an inch they are not legally entitled to. In democracies, laws exist to grant people freedom from the power of the state, not to grant the state freedom from the power of the people. Any laws that grant cops protection from the people are laws of a tyranny. We get only the protections of the state that our rights make possible and no more. Trading freedom for security gets us neither.
The only disappointing part of the article is that the 2 brown shirts continued to live.
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“ICE” Agents
I still think about this scene a lot because I’ve been there sheen relatively normal people casually talked about going to cities and shooting "democrats“ while also talking about the guns they were currently buying. I should have turned them in.
I should have turned them in.
And put yourself on the list to be visited by “ICE.”
I have too many family members who are Leo, plus other reasons why they shouldn’t do that. Plus it would be homeland security or FBI for various other reasons. But it could be ICE because I know a lot of immigrants. It would be a clusterfuck.
I wonder if the director told that actor “have, just, the worst trigger discipline. Make it look like you have no business handling a firearm.”
In the movie this is right after he executes 2 Chinese journalist, so lack of trigger discipline kinda makes sense. Oh and he’s about to try to execute a bunch more people in the up coming moments
Agreed. Dude was unhinged and didn’t give a fuck about any of that in this scene. Which obviously made it more tense
I’m not sure how well received this movie is but I really enjoyed it. The movie did a good job at not really identifying this characters “military affiliation” as well as the first group of militia they ran into. To my knowledge, nothing really identified these two groups as being affiliated with the government or resistance, so the tendency to just kill everyone you don’t know is probably how most things would get handled in the fallout/duration of a civil war.
So how long until real criminals start following suit and impersonating undercover ICE agents? Not like there’s much distinction between either “career” now, is there?
And then how long until ICE agents start showing up with holes on the ground because property owners “thought” they were real street thugs trying to rob them? Is there even a way to tell the difference? ~wink wink~
How long? Negative three months, apparently: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-rise-arrests-made-as-authorities-issue-national-warning/index.html
And then how long until ICE agents start showing up with holes on the ground because property owners “thought” they were real street thugs trying to rob them? Is there even a way to tell the difference? ~wink wink~
Should happen more often, this aversion to civil violence is a bit like a game of “I drop my weapon, you drop yours” between governments and people, except governments never fulfill their part.
Like Russian opposition trying to do “everything by the law” until realizing the other side never was, it was just silent enough in killing and randomly vanishing people and pretending its just dumb thieves. The same is happening in the EU right now, they just don’t know it yet.
They could be ICE, they could also be the KKK.
America’s Gestapo
¿Por que no las dos?
Indeed, my thoughts exactly.
“When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.” Thomas Jefferson
He didn’t ever say that, actually. It was likely first said by an activist in New Zealand https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/jefferson-injustice-resistance-quote/
Thomas Jefferson
Damn hack journalists. It was popularised by Petra Kelly (page 768, 82 in pdf) founding member of the German Greens:
But when the laws of the state are in open rebellion against divine law, … then resistance is a duty, but obedience is a crime.
…she was dishing it out with the CDU that’s why she quoted a Pope, in particular Pope Leo XIII, in 1890:
- But, if the laws of the State are manifestly at variance with the divine law, containing enactments hurtful to the Church, or conveying injunctions adverse to the duties imposed by religion, or if they violate in the person of the supreme Pontiff the authority of Jesus Christ, then, truly, to resist becomes a positive duty, to obey, a crime
It then percolated through general Green-adjacent political spheres as a slogan and became “Wenn Unrecht zu Recht wird, dann wird Widerstand zur Pflicht”, “When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty”, losing the “and obedience a crime” part. Usually attributed to Brecht, who probably wouldn’t mind, totally something he’d say. “I can’t eat enough for as much as I want to barf” isn’t Brecht, either, it’s Dürrenmatt. Actual Brecht quotes include “Who does not know the truth is just an idiot, but who knows the truth and calls it a lie is a criminal” as well as “First comes fodder, then morals”. Also, movie recommendation.
In any case, a good rule.
Try telling it to people with relatives\connections behind government desks, even small ones. They immediately either have this absent look as if they are calculating with effort how to best hurt you, or the absolutely hateful look as if no piece of you should exist.
That kind of reaction (EDIT: being so prevalent among that group of people) alone hints that today’s state bureaucracies have overstayed their welcome.
Okay, but he also said “My 14 year old half-sister looks even better naked”. So…
Oh boy, an ad hominem fallacy in the wild, it’s been a whole 5 seconds since I saw one!
Shut up dork, those are debate club’s words and you haven’t earned the right
The Founding Fathers fetishism so casually overrides peoples’ disgust for incest and pedophilia.
It’s genuinely depressing. America is a failed state.
Not incest. She was his wife’s half-sister, not his.
But that’s okay, whatever little bit of disgust that saved should be made up for by the fact she was their slave.
It’s extra depressing because these fucking stupid CHUDs licking slaver boot don’t seem to know that Jefferson never said or wrote that quote.
“You can’t believe everything you read on the Internet.”
-Mark Twain
It was actually Samuel Clemens who said that.
“Batches? We doan need no stinking batches!”
Stand your ground
Chang Chang
Lol, really? Was no other name available?
Bullies melt when faced with even the tiniest bit of resistance. Because they are fucking cowards. All bullies are fucking cowards.
They know what they’re doing is illegal, and they only get away with it because some people let them. Don’t be one of those people. When you see your rights being violated, resist! When you see the rights of others being violated, resist then too!
The actions of the manager of the restaurant Chang Chang were not only American, they were patriotic.
Isn’t this the exact reason Americans have so many guns, to oppose tyranny at the hands of the state? Funny how the most vehemently anti-gun control people are the same ones clapping and cheering as government thugs bundle people into detention centers without warrants.
Because having a gun for fun or feeling of superiority is morally easier than having it as part of citizen’s duty.
Makes sense. Maybe should call people of the same political opinions to some responsibility so that they’d arm themselves.
Yep. The Germans coined a nice term, critically: Vorauseilender Gehorsam - pre-emptive obedience. Don’t do it.
Sometimes not doing it may cost you. When the society is in terminal stage, that is.
When everyone does “preemptive obedience”, just not doing it and politely asking “ok, but who you are, please provide some identification and such, or at least explain me how you are different from a random person demanding it, I don’t know who you are and why are you demanding this” might cause dangerous levels of fury in someone who is not a random person, unfortunately, just treats a request for their correct identification (which they would be able to provide) and reasons as an insult.
To not let it reach that level, you shouldn’t, yes.
Actually maybe we will have a period of history when Germans save everyone from tyranny. I’ve read they are thinking of returning conscription and are growing military industries rapidly. Maybe for a good cause this time. Should be their turn. LOL.
“Fascism” is not a German word. It’s an Italian word. Fascism started in Italy before it started in Germany and became something much worse.
Nowhere did they say “fascism” is a German word.
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Why are you correcting people for something they didn’t say?
Why are you hallucinating things I never did?
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A comical level of projection.
How did you manage to misinterpret such a short comment so badly? Go reread it. Seriously. You’ll see just how idiotic your response here is
I know it’s not what you’re saying, probably, but just to be clear: It wasn’t a good thing going just fine until the Germans took it too far. It sucked in Italy, too, and is always bad.
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Are you some weird bot or do you just have issues reading? They said Fascists are bad and have always been bad, including Nazis but also those before them.
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The black knight always triumphs!
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I am not to blame if you can’t understand my response.
Nah, your “teachers” are.
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Save the world, hurt a bully today!
Bullies always hurt. That’s why they do what they do.
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Know your rights!
At some point, someone is going to fire the first shot. Then it’s open season on ICE agents. And you know what? I’m okay with that.
I do wonder how all the “violence is never the answer” folks will go if it comes to that. I think a lot of them would side with ICE, sadly.
Personally, I won’t be upset if a would-be nazi meets an abrupt end to their career.
Violence is not the answer. Violence is the question. And the answer is “Yes”
That reads like a Cave Johnson quote.
when life asks you if violence is the answer, you BURN THEIR HOUSE DOWN with the LEMON BOMBS‼️‼️
Yes! He’s saying what we’re all thinking!
The colonies didn’t resort to violence when unfairly taxed, they just offered a tea party.
Ooops. Sounds like you accidentally picked up a Texas MAGA “history” book? Or maybe one covering the 18th century or before?
Read some news.
Countries simply taking land they want, killing millions, and getting away with it is still a thing.
I hope to see a time when it’s commonly accepted that Starship Troopers is not a fascist book, just a smart one.
The movie does, of course, accuse it of being fascist while pretending it’s satire.
Anyway, in history the conflict seemed like “military with the fascists or under fascists, and often helping fascists”, but in a lot of modern situations it seems that militaries are the component fascists fear most and try to neuter or spend in useless wars or corrupt. Every period of history is different. So maybe Starship Troopers being militarist is not a fascist trait too.
“Violence is never the answer” types are just controlled opposition. Any and every peaceful protest that doesn’t have the risk of escalating to violence can and is just ignored. Did those anti war protests against Bush II’s wars ever amount to anything?
I’m inclined to agree. Unfortunately, a lot of moderators on lemmy and other sites have a very strong “no calls for violence” stance.
Let me be clear to any moderators here: I am not telling people to get an ICE agent pelt. I am simply predicting it will happen and choosing not to be upset about it.
We’re just talking about history here. No one’s calling for violence.
Like violence and threats in the past are okay, but never in the present?
If you’re inciting violent civil insurgency, you’re a criminal in the present. If successful, you may be accepted, even celebrated, retrospectively. It’s not a question of right or wrong, but of who is currently in power.
What did I say that was a threat?
how all the “violence is never the answer”
Which is implicit support for covert, hidden violence. The stronger side, the government, the mafia have an advantage in that. The people have an advantage in open violence between the resistance and them.
It just appears that a lot of people are like “I won’t support violence until it’s bad enough”, well, how those dorks would know it’s bad enough if when violence is unacceptable nobody can resist or raise their voice and it all remains silent until too late? You don’t know when it’s bad enough. You can live your whole remaining life thinking it’s still fine, because all the worthy people have been killed\imprisoned silently.
A citizen doesn’t owe a state any reservation in citizen’s demands. A citizen not having that doesn’t hurt the society, quite the opposite. So if you feel that the situation demands reservation from you, for some supposedly good reasons, then it means it’s very bad. All conflicts in life are too hard and require all your effort and you still often lose, so being reserved for some supposed moral rule without good explanation is not an answer, it’s a scam, a Troyan horse, it means your are being deceived to give up without a fight. Probably that you already have.
You’re absolutely right with thinking they’ll stick with ICE. People who value Status Quo over all else (“it hurts my head thinking about the world changing, why can’t everything just stay the same???”) always have and always will capitulate to Fascist regimes, because it removes the need for critical thought and the obligation to stand for anything. Moderates will be the death of us if we let them.
It’s not a new thought. There’s the grey hypocritical mass that obeys, which is the main body behind any fascist regime.
BTW, von Stauffenberg was pretty extreme right, yet he tried to assassinate Hitler, it’s not known of any moderates trying to do that.
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This is how the brownshirts operated. Just thugs, power trippin’, and attracting the absolute worst people who WANT to wear balaclavas and have the excuse to be intimidating assholes and have the power to bundle people into vans (or railcars).
Brownshirts, I think, didn’t wear balaklavas.
They were probably less cowardly
