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Universal Healthcare: we can’t do that.
90% tax rate on billionaires: we can’t do that.
15% cut to the Pentagon budget: we can’t do that.
Free education: we can’t do that.
<anything slightly progressive>: we can’t do that.
Please donate to the Democratic Party.
also democrats: why do we have a bad image? we need to fix our image! 🤪
The Democratic Party is like the “The Picture of Dorian Gray”; putting on a public show of caring about people, while their portrait in the attic displays their putrid, festering true nature of billionaire donors and love of Wall Street. Forever searching for a glossy image, while rotting at the core.
they say the old movie is great. you reminded me i gotta watch it.
There is Obamacare. 90% tax rate is too high. It would discourage people from becoming rich. Defense spending support jobs. The US exports weapons to other countries. Education is free up to high school. After that would require high taxes.
Obamacare leaves 26 million without healthcare and was always meant to enrich the health insurance companies.
90% tax of the ultra wealthy has historical precedent.
The death, destruction, and genocide of peoples outside the US being excused, because it creates jobs, is highly immoral besides being poor economics.
US schools are largely funded by a system of local property taxes, leaving poor abd rural neighborhoods with underfunding.
The topic was how the Democratic Party can attract voters. Doing exactly what they are doing now, as you suggest, is definitely not working. Imagine how out of touch a party has to be to lose to Donald Trump, twice.
Democrats: “Let’s ignore left wing and independant voters. We’ll chase after right wing voters instead.”
Right wing voters vote entirely for Republicans. Left wing and independant voters feel abandoned and dont vote.
Democrats: "I don’t understand how we could have lost. Let’s continue to ignore left wing and independant voters. We’ll have to double down on our efforts to get right wing voters.
Right wing voters continued to vote entirely for Republicans. Left wing and independant voters feel abandoned and dont vote.
Democrats: “What the hell happened? We lost yet again? I thought doubling down on the same strategy would have worked. Welp, we have no choice now but to triple down on the same strategy we keep losing with.”
No, Democrats has to attract voters with a centrist view because these are the largest block. Note that in Germany and Romania the centrist candidate won. Most people do not have extremist views.
WTF are you smoking? Most Latin american elections are more politically comparable to the US than Germany and Romania.
Are you saying that El Salvador resembles the US more than Germany or Romania?
Assuming they are speaking from an American perspective: left is just normal liberal everywhere else, aka center to center right.
Romanians don’t vote in US elections. What’s your actual evidence that appealing to ‘centrists’ would get the Democrats for swing state votes?
Germany and Romania shows that people tend to have moderate rather than extreme views.
I repeat:
Romanians (and Germans) don’t vote in US elections. What’s your actual evidence that appealing to ‘centrists’ would get the Democrats swing state votes?
Democrats dont need to do anything other then live up to their self proclaimed democracy advocacy and replace First-past-the-post voting in the blue states they control.
But they won’t do that… will they?
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
no cause they are just controlled opposition.
their job is just to stall and not to undo fascist policy. electoral policy is meaningless when both of the only two parties are in on the game. and if electoral reform has any chance to be effective it won’t be passed.
Democrats can’t just advocate democracy. Hitler came to power because the democratic Weimar Republic couldn’t control inflation.
“We are losing support in vast swaths of the country, in rural America, in the Midwest, the places where I’m from," Rep. Jason Crow, D-Colo., told the outlet. “People that I grew up with who now support Donald Trump, who used to be Democrats. There’s no reason why we shouldn’t have the support of these folks, other than we have pushed, in so many ways, these people away from our party.”
So they’re moving even further right. The article specifically points to their efforts to appeal to the toxic online male demographic.
If Democrats want to win, they have to move further right. Jason Crow would make a better Democratic candidate than AOC. Not only because of his moderate views but because he was an US Army Ranger. In contrast, AOC was never in the US military. If she is the Democratic Presidential candidate, she would be running against J.D. Vance who was in the US Marines.
‘To beat Republicans, we must become Republicans!’
I agree. The Dems should be more openly right. They should also stop suing leftist parties off the ballot, since they’re not going for those voters anyway.
Democrats cannot appeal to those on the extreme left or extreme right. Take a centrist view and they will appeal to most Americans.
Most Americans are not in the center, and in trying to appeal to everyone they end up appealing to no one.
But this conversation is over 10 years too late. The Democrats moved to the far right long ago, which is why they’re so rabidly anti-immigration and pro-genocide now.
If Biden was so anti-immigration, why did he permit so many illegal migrants that Governor Abbott of Texas bused them to sanctuary cities?
Maybe Democrat officials should start committing felonies, instigating insurrections, overturning elections, and raping people.
Since that’s what American voters want.
Democrat officials already do that, though they mostly limit the insurrections and overthrown elections to other countries.
No, Trump won because his opposition was senile Biden who took too long to drop out. Hitler came to power because the democratic Weimar Republic could not control inflation, something which Biden also couldn’t do. Hitler like Trump is a great speaker.
Your frank admiration of both hitler and trump explains why you want the democratic party to move to the right.
And of course, they’re going to take all the wrong lessons from this. They’re going to use this as an excuse to move further right. What a fucking joke.
If Democrats want to win, they better move toward the center because that’s where most Americans are.
Unfortunately they are moving right, and thus even further away from the center
What an idiotic takeaway.
In fact, there’s fewer and fewer people in the center. Americans are abandoning the center in droves. And the Democratic Party, as liberals always do, is moving right to chase the fascist vote, because the left is a threat to Dems.
No, if Americans are abandoning the center, Trump’s popularity would be soaring. Democrats should move to the right not far right. Merz of Germany adopted tough immigration views, but they were not as extreme as that of the AFD.
US election turnouts are low because neither party genuinely represents the people. The DNC ran rightward and lost in 2024, are you saying you want them to run further right, or further left? Which “center” are you talking about, the center of left and right, or center of DNC/GOP?
No, Biden and Harris were too far to the left. Letting in a flood of illegal migrants is a leftist policy.
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The Biden/Harris presidency locked up as many immigrants as they could. There was no “flood.”
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Anti-immigration rhetoric is just xenophobic nonsense.
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Biden and Harris are far-right, they lost votes by moving right wing.
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how did you even get on lemmy.ml? Which line from the manifesto did you copy and paste?
Are you saying that only certain views are allowed on lemmy.ml? How would you learn anything if everyone in the group thinks the same? The psychological term is called groupthink and leads to poor decision making.
Goddamn you’re dumb
The .ml stands for Marxism-Leninism. That’s why you copy-pasted a sentence from the communist manifesto when signing up. Other views are allowed, but only to a point (which you haven’t crossed IMO). Although your talk about immigrants is right on the edge, and you probably will eventually be banned from here. Lemmy.world is probably more your speed
On the sidebar, you can see that certain views are absolutely not allowed here:
No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia.
If you allow the bigotry, then you face the paradox of tolerance. .
Copying from the Communist Manifesto doesn’t necessarily mean that you have to believe in it. I belong to a community here discussing movies. Are you saying that only movies supporting Marxism can be discussed? Securing the border is not bigotry. When Biden was allowing illegal migrants to flood in, cities had migrants sleeping in the streets. Mayors of these cities pleaded with Biden for help, but he ignored them. It is bigotry when there is a hatred for these migrants because of their ethnicity. An example is the AFD party of Germany.
You have no idea what you’re talking about, you’re just regurgitating right wing propaganda. Biden expanded on Trump’s xenophobic immigration policies, who expanded on Obama’s xenophobic immigration policies, who expanded on Bush’s xenophobic immigration policies, etc. And guess what? There’s still migrants sleeping in the streets, just like there’s still US citizens sleeping in the streets
Biden let illegal migrants flood across the border. One of Trump’s top attacks of Biden was that he wasn’t controlling the border. Trump has secured the border so well that very few illegal migrants cross. If there are illegal migrants sleeping in the streets, ICE would surely notice and deport them.
I dont think its possible for them to be more in the center. You must mean more to the right.
They could be closer to the center by moving far to the left.
That’s not actually true. The very idea that Democrats are even left-of-center as it is, is completely disingenuous. It’s a fiction created by the US media’s intentional misrepresentation of policy. The majority of Americans want left-wing economic policies.
They also don’t care as much about culture war issues, as the media likes to make it appear. That is mostly a right-wing driven idea, while everyone left of that would simply rather focus on more practical concerns, without infringing on anyone’s rights. But that doesn’t mean they want politicians to abandon minority issues altogether. They just don’t agree that it should be such a hot-button topic. Catering to the kinds of narratives pushed by right-wing media, is not what the majority of Americans want from their politicians.
If Democrats want to start winning again, they need to start focusing on working-class issues. That means a hard shift to the left on economic policy. Trump and the Republicans have already figured this out, even if their rhetoric is total bullshit…they know what people want to hear, and they’re saying it. What Democrats need to do, is walk that kind of talk for real. That means reaching out to the actual majority of voters…not just the ones with the most money…and deliver real policy changes that will improve regular people’s lives.
tbf, Democrats moving “towards the center” would mean moving left
The economy is always the top issue in any presidential election. Most Americans will not want a leftist economic policy. It will certainly mean high taxes in order to pay for all the social programs.
Most Americans do want left-wing economic policies…they just don’t like the word “socialism”. But they all want Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid…along with pretty much everything else you can describe to them, without using the “S-word”.
As I said…most of what people object to, is based on the right-wing narrative that the media pushes in order to prevent those kinds of policies from being implemented or expanded. It’s the trigger words that have been incorporated into that narrative that drive people to vote against what they all agree, is good policy.
To be clear, social programs are not “Socialism,” Socialism is a separate organization of the economy where public ownership makes up the principle aspect.
That’s why I keep calling it a right-wing, media driven narrative. They use that word to create a negative stigma towards any left-wing economic policy. And social safety net programs are definitely left-wing economic policies, because they rely on pooled and redistributed resources. but you are absolutely correct…calling it “socialism” is hyperbolic.
I don’t really agree with designating social programs themselves as “right” or “left,” I think once you move outside the umbrella of Socialism vs Capitalism those descriptors cease to be useful. Something being paid for with taxes doesn’t make it anti-Capitalist, Lockheed Martin for example is quite right wing but depends entirely on tax dollars.
That being said, I do agree that conservative media calls social programs “Socialist” or “Communist” to fear-monger, but I also think liberal media uses terms like “Socialist” for distinctly Capitalist economies like Norway in order to blunt what Socialism actually is and make it compatible with Capitalism, defanging revolutionary and radical sentiment.
No, they like some social programs such as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid but things such as free education beyond high school and guaranteed minimum income will require high taxes.
You put “no” at the front of that comment, but then agreed with me. Then you listed two other very popular ideas that haven’t been implemented because conservative politicians won’t agree to do it.
But even among conservative voters, higher paying jobs and tuition free college are also popular ideas. Up until the 80’s, conservatives were all pro-union. Better pay and safer work conditions were a conservative point of pride. That was what made the American dream possible.
And community colleges were incredibly popular with the “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” crowd. Any hard-working American could improve their lot in life, simply by taking night classes after work. You want an opportunity, you make one for yourself.
But since then, they’ve all been convinced that things like that are “Socialist”, and bad for society. Why? Because the politicians want more money for defense contractors, pharmaceutical executives, and health care insurance providers. Now, your tax money is being spent subsidizing the richest people in the country, who make all their money exploiting the working class.
If Democrats want to win back those voters, they need to start fixing that shit. Because that’s what they were told Trump was going to fix. He was going to make everything less expensive and make everyone more money. Sure…they were lied to. But that’s what they were promised. That’s what they were voting for.
Most takeaways focused on Democrats’ “faculty lounge” problem of being seen as too judgmental and beholden to their far-left members.
They’re going to “triangulate” even further right while blaming “elite” progressive liberals, who aren’t even the left. :surprised-pikachu:
📺 Why the Democratic Party CANNOT and WILL NOT be Reformed: Democrats would rather lose to a Republican, to a conservative, to a fascist, to Trump, than address the material conditions of the American people.
Trump’s threats of tariffs appealed to Americans to thought that jobs are going overseas. The Democratic policy should be to restrict tariffs to protecting strategic industries and in response to countries which put tariffs on American products.
Cast it into the fire! Destroy it! Libs: no
Trump third term just around the corner, and the 4th and the 5th and the 6th…
Trump said that he would not seek a third term. If Democrats don’t move toward the center, J.D. Vance will be the next President.
Trump said
Well, there’s your problem. Trump says a lot of things, most not true.
Democrats don’t move toward the center
No, they need to move DOWN on the compass and actually align their values with the majority of the people, return the fucking 70%+ tax on the rich just like before. It was done before and it worked for the longest fucking time.
https://bradfordtaxinstitute.com/Free_Resources/Federal-Income-Tax-Rates.aspx
40.8% looks good. There has to be motivation to become rich.
Yes, the Democratic Party has to move away from the left, otherwise their views are out of touch with most Americans. Jason Crow might be a good Democratic Presidential candidate.
The DNC is a far-right party, they need to move towards the left if they want to pick up votes.
If the DNC is far right, what is the GOP?
A bit farther to the right. Ths US Empire is far-right.
You are delusional
It’s a burner astroturfing account. But the Dem bots are just like the party. Won’t learn anything, and will just post the same shit in two weeks with a different face.
This is not a reasonable take. The Democrats doubled-down hard on
conservatismcentrism in 2024 and all it did was help Trump broaden his coalition. Also here, in Missouri, Republicans not only won, they won against the backdrop of voters approving a $15 minimum wage, required paid sick leave, and voting down an abortion ban.Bernie and AOC are filling football stadiums in red states with their speeches. If the Dems want to win, they’ll embrace economic populism and the left.
Simply put, your opinion is wrong. But feel free to trot out the Cheneys again for all the good it’ll do you.
Biden had an open border policy and Harris foolishly said that she wouldn’t have done anything differently than Biden despite polls showing that Americans wanted more border security. Harris would have been smart to do want Merz of Germany did; adopt a tough immigration policy in order to undermine the appeal of the AFD.
Biden had an open border policy
You’ve inadvertently stumbled upon exactly the reason democrats have nothing to gain moving right: because Biden had a very strict border policy, but it didn’t matter because Republicans just accuse him of having an “open border policy” anyway, and right wingers like yourself believe them.
Biden did not have a strict border policy. Governor Abbott of Texas was busing illegal migrants to sanctuary cities where they were straining the resources of those cities.
See? Even though Biden had a very strict border policy, you assume he didn’t because Republicans said so.
Your take is so bad, you’re getting dunked on by .world users
Biden deported 250% more people than Trump.
Biden later began to realize that Americans did not want a flood of migrants, but the damage had been done. Of course, if more illegal migrants are allowed in more would be deported.
Bullshit. You’re pulling those numbers out of your ass.
Now, I’m no Biden fan, but this take is also unreasonable.
Biden had an immigration bill. Senate Republicans refused to pass it and offered no alternatives.
The immigration narrative was built on deliberate obstruction.
It was also a terrible bill that capitulated to right-wing framing on immigration.
More Americans support Mass Legalization of immigrants over Mass Deportation, despite the lack of rhetoric on that from the Democratic party.
Be that as it may, it runs contrary to the ‘open border policy’ argument.
I criticize Dems often because they tend to say they support something then do nothing to make their promises a reality when they have power, but this is an instance where Democrats made a legitimate effort toward creating change in immigration policy, and it didn’t happen because of Republicans who themselves have no policies other than doing nothing and letting things get worse.
True, I fucking wish they went with an open border policy
Why is that?
(Not saying this to be sarcastic, genuinely curious about your POV.)
Republicans in the House rejected the bipartisan immigration bill at the urging of Trump, but Biden was told by Republicans that he could stop illegal migrants using executive order, but Biden refused.
No he didn’t, quit making shit up
If you think the Democratic party is “left,” I’d like you to pass that doobie over here so I can get high, too.
I don’t even smoke anymore and I want it, too.
I’ll take two tokes… and also one for you.
Why do you think the Democratic Party is unpopular?
They think they are the only people who should resist the republicans, and they most certainly act like it to. A very heavy “what are ya gonna do, vote republicans?” vibe pours put of every orifice of the party and their members.
All while simultaneously preventing and not pursuing reforms that would allow for multiple political parties to exist without a spoiler effect.
That isn’t democracy, that is a hostage situation. And I for one will never fall for the Stockholm syndrome that has claimed so very many of my fellow countrymen. Yall think you are woke, but you are repeatedly being injected with tranquilizers and kept thinking in the world’s tiniest box.
Not to mention the “most electable” and “most adult” people in the political process has been defeated repeatedly by a fucking clown show, and their repeated refusal to apply the laws of the land to their republican friends.
Also the war on drugs is a bipartisan war against the citizens of this country.
There is more but I get the feeling you’re not really interested in what I think or say.
Actually, there are other parties in the US. There is the Green Party and the Libertarian Party. Some drugs such as fentanyl are deadly if misused.
Are you trolling? Technically there exist other parties, but USian election rules (especially FPTP) are mathematically proven to cause such a huge spoiler effect that, even when a big fraction of voters hate both viable parties, electing a single third-party congressman is very unlikely, and electing a third-party president is nearly impossible.
It is like saying that the Earth is not round, because, strictly speaking, it is slightly bulged.
Why vote for reactionaries that pretend not to be reactionaries? If you’re a reactionary, you’ll vote for the openly reactionaries, and if you’re not, you’ll vote for neither.
For precisely the opposite reason you are suggesting. They do not listen to what people want. They are out of touch and capitulate to the Republicans.
Most people don’t want more corporate affiliation. Most people want food, healthcare, housing, education, and a living wage so they don’t exist as slaves to their company.
All of those things are positions the GOP work actively against. The Dems currently do not act effectively to PROTECT those things. That’s why they’re unpopular.
Most people want food, healthcare, education, and housing but not to the extent of the left. It would require very high taxes to pay for them. A high minimum wage doesn’t work. . California passed a $20.00/hr. minimum wage law for fast food workers. The result was that employers hired less workers.
OK, smart guy, how do you propose we pay for these things if not with taxes. Right now, our taxes go to wars we don’t believe in. The Pentagon has failed its audits for years, misplacing billions and there’s no accountability. Politicians get to take advantage of gold standard Healthcare, but deny us a public option.
We subsidize bullshit, our cost of living goes up, our wages stay stagnant, our food becomes more expensive, and affluent white dickheads in charge stay in charge.
You propose keeping things the same, or at least you believe that’s what people want. We’ve been getting fleeced for years. Should we just hold out a little longer?
The only people who speak like you are comfortable. You’re the minority.
Taxes are necessary but if they are too high it lessens the motivation to work. The purpose of working hard is to make money not give it away. If Russia conquers Ukraine, it will lead to more defense spending as the threat from Russia would increase. Giving the Sudetenland to Hitler didn’t appease him.
False. China has lower inequality and simultaneously far greater economic growth and more innovation.
And Putin is bad, but not remotely as harmful to world peace as the US regime. The US (both parties) has been involved in literally 200 military interventions just in the last few decades.
Democracy is not when a black woman is chosen as the Nurembeg-deserving war criminal in chief.
