I mean … one of these is a violent conflict where mostly civilians are being hit, on both sides. The other is a country defending itself from an invasion. One of these is really complicated and I’m pretty sure violence won’t solve much. The other one really isn’t complicated on the same level and violence (defense) is pretty much the only choice.
Yes. The Palestinians are defending themselves from an invasion by another country while Ukraine and Russia will have to find a way to peacefully live next to each other.
Unfortunately isn’t that simple. If you would like to know more about the Ukrain conflict than please read “How the West Brought War to Ukraine: Understanding How U.S. and NATO Policies Led to Crisis, War, and the Risk of Nuclear Catastrophe” by Benjamin Abelow. It gives a far more balanced en factual analysis about the conflict.
Maybe how the conflict itself came to be isn’t simple (and calling anything simple that involves politics is probably always wrong). But the situation for the people in the Ukraine itself is pretty simple. They’re being attacked and they’re defending themselves.
You could say the same for the people in Palestine. They’re forced to live under the boot of an oppressive apartheid regime and they’re trying to free themselves. Pretty simple, right?
Apparently that’s an unpopular opinion, but to free themselves the ideal path forward is to conduct terrorist attacks on civilians? That certainly didn’t seem to improve things. And bombing civilians isn’t a great response either.
Didn’t Ukraine literally just launch missile/artillery attacks at random civilian targets in Donetsk… The same thing they’ve been doing for almost a decade?
You sound like you can’t be fucked to even try understanding how settler-colonial ethnic cleansing and oppression justifies violence from the oppressed-- which scans, considering your considerably treat-obsessed techbro posting background.
basically, it all sounds like to me where you’re concerned.
I‘m not trying to argue for one side here and I’m certainly no expert in this conflict. All I’ve been saying is that violence is probably not going to be the solution here. Especially not the kind of violence that Israel is and has been putting Palestinians through.
Unfortunately, violence is a part of the solution at this point. Violence is the only thing that stopped the Nazis’ genocidal conquest, it is what enabled the Black South Africans to take back their country from their colonizers. Palestinians tried diplomacy for years, and all it got them was softer genocide. They tried peaceful protest, and their were shot dead by the hundreds. Listen, I get it, violence is not pretty, but when you are dealing with fascists such as the Israelis, you end up not having much choice in the matter. The violence will stop when Israeli apartheid and genocide stops, and that likely won’t stop until Israel as it exists is defeated, as fascism is baked deeply into its political structure.
Then what is the solution to a settler-colonial menace kicking in your door and demanding your land? Acquiescence and surrender? You’d see done to the Palestinians what Amerika has done to the Indigenous and Black populations in their country. Like I said.
What’s the solution that involves violence? It can be a wake up call to start a discussion, but I don’t see how things are going to be solved by it. But you tell me.
“Terrorism” is a meaningless word used to create a false separation between the small violence of the oppressed and the massive violence of the oppressor. The Nazis also called resistance fighters under their occupation “terroristic barbarians” and claimed this proved
that slaughtering them was justified.
Ukraine isn’t “defending itself from an invasion”. Ukraine’s democratically elected government was overthrown by a US sponsored military coup. The coup was carried out by Nazis that want to ethnically cleanse ethnic Russians from the territory. The Russian majority areas voted overwhelmingly to secede from Ukraine and called on Russia to protect them when the Ukrainian coup government invaded them.
Russia’s goal is not “conquering all of Ukraine”. Russia’s military objectives are
Halting the ongoing killing of ethnic Russians in the Donbas Republics by the Ukrainian nazi coup government.
Disabling the nazi coup government’s military capacity to act as a staging ground for US attacks on Russia.
Russia has continually offered ceasefires with the only substantive condition being “stop killing Russians”, and the nazi coup government has been unwilling to negotiate because the US has told them they’re not permitted to stop killing.
I mean … one of these is a violent conflict where mostly civilians are being hit, on both sides. The other is a country defending itself from an invasion. One of these is really complicated and I’m pretty sure violence won’t solve much. The other one really isn’t complicated on the same level and violence (defense) is pretty much the only choice.
Yes. The Palestinians are defending themselves from an invasion by another country while Ukraine and Russia will have to find a way to peacefully live next to each other.
Unfortunately isn’t that simple. If you would like to know more about the Ukrain conflict than please read “How the West Brought War to Ukraine: Understanding How U.S. and NATO Policies Led to Crisis, War, and the Risk of Nuclear Catastrophe” by Benjamin Abelow. It gives a far more balanced en factual analysis about the conflict.
I got a free pdf version here if you are interested.
https://annas-archive.org/md5/193c4b51b5aa5c3270c9163200f0d475
Maybe how the conflict itself came to be isn’t simple (and calling anything simple that involves politics is probably always wrong). But the situation for the people in the Ukraine itself is pretty simple. They’re being attacked and they’re defending themselves.
Yet another lib who thinks the conflict started in 2022, and thus has little understanding of it
You could say the same for the people in Palestine. They’re forced to live under the boot of an oppressive apartheid regime and they’re trying to free themselves. Pretty simple, right?
Apparently that’s an unpopular opinion, but to free themselves the ideal path forward is to conduct terrorist attacks on civilians? That certainly didn’t seem to improve things. And bombing civilians isn’t a great response either.
Didn’t Ukraine literally just launch missile/artillery attacks at random civilian targets in Donetsk… The same thing they’ve been doing for almost a decade?
also they’ve been carrying out improvised drone bombings on Russian civilian centres like Moscow
You sound like you can’t be fucked to even try understanding how settler-colonial ethnic cleansing and oppression justifies violence from the oppressed-- which scans, considering your considerably treat-obsessed techbro posting background.
basically, it all sounds like
to me where you’re concerned.
I‘m not trying to argue for one side here and I’m certainly no expert in this conflict. All I’ve been saying is that violence is probably not going to be the solution here. Especially not the kind of violence that Israel is and has been putting Palestinians through.
Unfortunately, violence is a part of the solution at this point. Violence is the only thing that stopped the Nazis’ genocidal conquest, it is what enabled the Black South Africans to take back their country from their colonizers. Palestinians tried diplomacy for years, and all it got them was softer genocide. They tried peaceful protest, and their were shot dead by the hundreds. Listen, I get it, violence is not pretty, but when you are dealing with fascists such as the Israelis, you end up not having much choice in the matter. The violence will stop when Israeli apartheid and genocide stops, and that likely won’t stop until Israel as it exists is defeated, as fascism is baked deeply into its political structure.
Then what is the solution to a settler-colonial menace kicking in your door and demanding your land? Acquiescence and surrender? You’d see done to the Palestinians what Amerika has done to the Indigenous and Black populations in their country. Like I said.
What’s the solution that involves violence? It can be a wake up call to start a discussion, but I don’t see how things are going to be solved by it. But you tell me.
“Terrorism” is a meaningless word used to create a false separation between the small violence of the oppressed and the massive violence of the oppressor. The Nazis also called resistance fighters under their occupation “terroristic barbarians” and claimed this proved that slaughtering them was justified.
“I’m all for liberation, but not like that” headass
frrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Ukraine isn’t “defending itself from an invasion”. Ukraine’s democratically elected government was overthrown by a US sponsored military coup. The coup was carried out by Nazis that want to ethnically cleanse ethnic Russians from the territory. The Russian majority areas voted overwhelmingly to secede from Ukraine and called on Russia to protect them when the Ukrainian coup government invaded them.
Russia’s goal is not “conquering all of Ukraine”. Russia’s military objectives are
Halting the ongoing killing of ethnic Russians in the Donbas Republics by the Ukrainian nazi coup government.
Disabling the nazi coup government’s military capacity to act as a staging ground for US attacks on Russia.
Russia has continually offered ceasefires with the only substantive condition being “stop killing Russians”, and the nazi coup government has been unwilling to negotiate because the US has told them they’re not permitted to stop killing.
Don’t bother with him; that’s a treat-obsessed techbro peckerwood
Well, that at least explains what community I ended up in. Thanks for the clarification.
Translation:
willful ignorance is definitely preferable to learning anything! keep up the good work, friend
Sources on one particular point I recently gathered, which is the peace deals being offered by the Russian side: https://archive.ph/9BVwS https://archive.ph/LrOtO
Came here just to get ridiculed so you could call us out for the ridicule. LOL typical
We’re talking about the Ukraine-Russia conflict from the Ukrainian government’s perspective, right?
Right? :padme: