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    Headline is kind of funny, but I wanted to know what he shot at

    In body cam footage shared across social media, the officer was seen jumping to the ground and shouted “shots fired” after the acorn strikes the roof of his car. He then turned and emptied every bullet from his gun, each aimed squarely at his squad car.

    Funny again…

    While Hernandez fired on the car, Marquis Jackson, who was accused of stealing his girlfriend’s car, was in the back of the police cruiser. Officers had searched, handcuffed and loaded the accused into the back of the police car and, despite being cuffed, it was Jackson that the officer thought was shooting at him.

    Nope, he was trying to kill someone handcuffed in the back of his squad car and had already been searched for weapons.

    Cop should at least be facing reckless endangerment, if not attempted murder.

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        Same as when they think they’re doing on fentanyl…

        After hearing the sound of the acorn, the deputy reported that he also felt a “tingliness” all along the side of his body. He then said his “legs just give out” and he fell to the ground, assuming that he had been seriously injured by something.

        Because of this, the video also showed Hernandez complaining about feeling “weird” and shouting to his colleague that he’s been hit. It’s all very dramatic.

        Cops are constantly terrified because of their training, so they panic and mistake a panic attack for something else.

        Being a cop sucks so much (because of their own leadership and culture) that good qualified people do t want to be a cop. So we end up with these fragile snowflakes that shouldn’t be allowed to carry at all. Let alone be a cop

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          These idiots are so convinced that merely touching fentanyl will make them collapse that it actually happens to them.

          If fentanyl was that strong, people would buy one bag and it would last for like a year.

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                True, but fentanyl is generally not. They do make fentanyl patches, but casual exposure, like a cop touching a tiny bit of fentanyl, will not result in fentanyl being absorbed.

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                That’s just because you don’t know how to make it, and they are selling it to you a few drops at a time. I believe the ingredients are actually pretty cheap. Chemistry students make it.

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                  Sell a man some LSD and he trips for a day. Teach a man to make LSD and he trips for a lifetime!

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                  Yeah, right. I don’t believe you. HOW would they do that? What steps could they possibly take!? What ingredients would they need and where would they even get them!?

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              Not quite. Drugs that can be absorbed through the skin, well, they get absorbed.

              It’s not an infinite drugs glitch, just like powdered Fentanyl can’t be absorbed through the skin.

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            Yeah… I am sure there are some idiots who believe in the horrors of fentanyl.

            The reality is it is a catch all to excuse all the other drugs in their systems. If someone notices a cop is clearly amped up on amphetamines then the reality is that someone in the tri-state area had a single particle of fentanyl on them and THAT is why the cop who just killed four people is alternating between growling and crying while looking even sweatier than alex jones.

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                Fentanyl does whatever you want it to baby. Just so long as that involves beating your wife and kids when there isn’t a black kid nearby.

                Fentanyl itself is an opiod so it is a downer. But fentanyl, as reported by the media and embraced by cops, is a magic wonderdrug where a single particle in a hundred mile radius will instantly infect every cop through enough PPE that they could survive a zombie infestation and make them do whatever crazy shit they got caught doing.

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          good people get fired as cops because they hesitate to shoot unarmed people and won’t lie for officers doing questionable things.

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          …fragile snowflakes that shouldn’t be allowed to carry at all.

          Yeah but deputy tacticool has holo sights. Not wasted on him at all.

          Poor Durango.

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          My goodness what a fucking snowflake. Maybe you shouldn’t be in the profession if you’re “scared shitless” 99% of the time. But we all know that’s a cover for them. They love killing people.

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        “It hit my vest” and “I feel weird”. Them be signs that his fat ass has coronary artery disease. Fucking Okaloosa County. Good riddance. Don’t miss it.

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        You don’t mag dump like that if you don’t care. He very much was trying to kill him.

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              I am not saying he definitely wasn’t trying to kill Mr. Jackson intentionally. I’m saying that the other possibility is that he’s a stupid coward that empties his clip at his own car because he’s terrified and doesn’t think about and/or care that there’s a person in his car.

              Was he intending to kill Mr. Jackson? Maybe. That’s definitely not an unlikely possibility. But I think stupid cowardice where the motive wasn’t murder is also not unlikely because cops are stupid cowards.

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                I got ya. I’m agreeing that he’s a coward and an idiot, but disagreeing that he might not have been trying to murder a guy. He might not have believed it was murder, because of the idiot part…but the video convinced me he was intentionally trying to kill the unarmed man in the back of his car.

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              … who’s handcuffed in your backseat.

              The utter stupidity of cops astounds me daily. One would think I’d be used to it now, and yet …

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              Pretty much. Did he have a clean backdrop? Nah. He was in a fucking neighborhood

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            At an active threat, sure. When the dude’s been searched, handcuffed, and trapped in the back of a car…there’s some personal responsibility, imo.

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      I deal with PTSD vets every day so I understand the snap buuuuut… No one else gets to get away with a slap on the wrist because of their mental illness so fuckem

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        Yeah. The “having PTSD” part isn’t what should be punished, it’s the “and yet still carrying a gun while putting yourself in a position to have your PTSD triggered like this” part that’s egregious.

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          Well, Philip Brailsford, the murderer who murdered Daniel Shaver, claimed PTSD for murdering Daniel so he could draw on his pension and retire early. Because he murdered someone and it hurt his fee-fees.

          Fuck that.

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        I mean. Being in combat and being a cop are two different things.

        Maybe this guy was in a shootout and has PTSD, maybe this is the only time he’s ever fired on duty and he’s just a coward who panicked.

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        See I’m like, I don’t even think you could qualify most of the things you would do to this guy as being punishment. Preventing this guy from being a cop forever (pretty unlikely, but could happen), isn’t really a punishment. If he’s discharging his firearm into his own car, he’s obviously just unfit to be an officer and that’s a pretty clear safety concern. If you sent him to prison, that might be more of a “punishment”, but that’s also, you know, what cops do basically their whole careers, is send people to prison, and we still have all the same problems with the prison system as we’ve always had, so, you know, I’m like. I dunno. That doesn’t seem like a clear “win”, to me, both in terms of improving society and in terms of helping him out if he’s mentally ill which, you know, seems to clearly be the case, here.

        You could also maybe think, hey, this guy goes to an asylum or something for mental illness, but that kind of has the same problems as sending someone to prison, it’s not usually a helpful system.

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      Cop should at least be facing reckless endangerment, if not attempted murder.

      The review board found his conduct was not reasonable; so, it’ll be up to the prosecutor (which I’m sure in FL is an office eager to go after cops). The other officer, who began shooting after the officer wearing the bodycam in the OP began shooting, was found to have acted reasonably.

      Essentially, you can’t think an acorn is a bullet and get away with shooting at a detained and secured civilian. But, if another officer on scene thinks, even unreasonably so, that an acorn is a bullet and starts shooting at a detained and secured civilian, you can too. If this doesn’t make a lot of sense to you, take that as reassurance that your critical thinking remains, at least partially, intact.

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        Nah, it kind of makes sense for the second guy.

        Remember, he’s not getting triggered by the acorn, he’s reacting to his coworker yelling that they’ve been shot and actual gunfire. That’s a justified reason to pull out your weapon IMO

        Granted, he should’ve tried to take control of the situation and de-escalate so he could “save” his panicked coworker, but that kind of calmness “under fire” would take actual training

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          It does mean that the assisting officers aren’t required to actually confirm their target, though.

          What if this was real. If a 3rd party shot at them. 1st officer fires, blindly assuming it’s the perp in cuffs in the car. 2nd cop shoots and kills perp in car because he saw that’s what his partner was shooting at. When, in this hypothetical scenario, it was really a 3rd party that wasn’t identified yet, which would be the only plausible source of a gun shot anyway since the perp was already searched and cuffed.

          That doesn’t make sense to me, but that’s how they’re trained. Ride or die with their comrads. Once the first shot is fired, it’s shoot first and ask questions later for all additional officers.

          That’s not good policy. That’s not good for civilians.

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            It’s not a great policy, but it’s a decision that, you know, has ups and downs either way. On one hand, if you have a particularly sharp officer who can peep out someone shooting at them, locate where that person is, and then fire back and understand exactly what they’re shooting at. It would be better if that officer was able to also get their partner to follow their instructions, rather than relying on their partner, who, you know, being part of the police, might not be a sharp, and might not really be able to understand what’s going on or what to do without external instruction.

            That’s if you have it as a kind of top down encompassing training thing, but that’s really kind of the stupidest way to handle it. It’s why the military has rank, and specialists, and roles, you can have a more clear chain of command where the more capable can, at least theoretically, rise to the top and be able to give those instructions. But then, none of this really prevents the person above you snapping randomly, and deciding to shoot a detained and searched person because of an acorn. Of all of what I’ve said, cops have a very mild amount of ranks and shit, too, but they’re obviously subject to much less training, have more uniform ranks, and, like the military, they’re very insular and have very little faith in anything but themselves. So more often than not they’re just going to all collectively default to kind of whatever will keep them the “safest”, which is going to be killing everyone around them that twitches kind of weird. Internal to the police, the life of every cop is worth infinitely more than the life of a criminal, and even the life of your average civilian, or, better put in their terms, potential criminal. When realistically it should be the opposite, but yeah.

            I dunno, I kind of think sometimes that, I dunno if it’s just a lack of news reaching over here from other countries, but I never hear about police brutality from other countries nearly as much. Maybe in britain, and france, and places where I can kind of think, oh, yeah, the power structure above them is kind of fucked up, america style, but maybe a little less so. But, so, I kind of wonder if police corruption is really it’s own internal thing, and we should just abolish the police, like everyone says, or if it’s really just every overarching power structure that’s actually fucked up, and if we were like, finland, everything would be fine, cause I’ve not really heard a lot about the police of finland being super corrupt. Basically, I wonder if we target the symptom, and not the problem, because the police are obviously the slammer, you know, they’re the pog which gets thrown by the long arm of history to flip everything over, they’re the direct force that anyone who’s doing any political action, or anyone who’s a victim of the government, they’re who they interface with. But is that because they’re intrinsically a problematic institution, or is that because they’re just the face, just the tool? I dunno. I find myself wondering that, in the face of, you know, so much evidence that the police is full of like, fucking morons.

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        Essentially, you can’t think an acorn is a bullet and get away with shooting at a detained and secured civilian. But, if another officer on scene thinks, even unreasonably so, that an acorn is a bullet and starts shooting at a detained and secured civilian, you can too. If this doesn’t make a lot of sense to you, take that as reassurance that your critical thinking remains, at least partially, intact.

        IIRC Sympathetic Fire seems to be insta-forgiveness (by other police and the courts) whenever it comes up.

        As one example, I think it played a role in the Daniel Shaver case, but it’s been a long time since I read all those details and I really don’t want to dive into that pool of anger and sadness again to verify.

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      Keep in mind, this is Florida. It is perfectly legal to murder anybody if you can prove that you felt threatened.

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    If a random loud bang from an acorn falling nearby is enough to get someone to behave like this, they really should not be walking around with a gun. This is completely insane and unhinged behavior.

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      theres no reason for most officers to be lethally armed their entire shift.

      they are trained the exact opposite; be afraid of everything and empty the clip. ask questions later.

      this cop behaved as he was trained

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      Fun fact: ‘police officer’ isn’t even in the top 10 most dangerous professions in the US. It’s solidly beat by things like garbage collector, delivery driver, maintenance worker, and pilot. None of those professions typically carry weapons on the job.

      Lots of police officers were former bullies with an inferiority complex. Some are wusses who only feel powerful because they’re carrying a deadly weapon.

      Another fun fact: police in several other western countries don’t carry deadly weapons and yet are able to do their jobs just fine.

      American police are trained to think everything and everyone is against them, through programs like David Grossman’s Killology course. Weird how a program designed to teach recruits to kill without empathy would result in people killing without empathy.

      Elsewhere, police are learning de-escalation tactics, but police in the US are learning escalation.

      It’s absurd, and leads to scared, trigger-happy morons shooting at acorns.

      e: missed a word

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        I want to stress that I am in no-way attempting to excuse this cop, nor am I suggesting that there is any reasonable way to confuse the sound of an acorn with the sound of a gunshot. Even if there were, there is no justification for blindly “returning fire” in the general direction of the noise. That is so batshit crazy a scenario that it is completely irredeemable. This cop needs to be in prison.

        That being said, I do want to comment on the capabilities of recording and playback. They completely lack the dynamic range necessary to make any sort of reasonable judgment on the intensity of the “bang”. What we hear in the video and what the officer heard in real life are two completely different things.

        I have heard black walnuts (golf ball to tennis ball sized outer shell) hitting vehicles at close range. While they certainly can’t be reasonably confused with a gunshot, they are startlingly loud.

        Again, I want to stress: completely unreasonable that an acorn hitting the cruiser could be confused for a gunshot, and criminally stupid to fire in the general direction of the noise.

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    And yet the most surprising thing about the story is that the bodycam footage was released, smh

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      Likely to protect the cop/department too, since he shot at his own car that already had a disarmed, detained suspect inside. He very nearly killed someone that was already a non-threat. If the body cam footage got out it might make people think their cops are negligent or improperly trained! /ghasp

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        It’s like a business. If the liability rests with their officer and they are afraid of a lawsuit causing significant political blowback they are going to take action against the officer to minimize their liability. Hearing about an officer doing something like this and then leaving the force means there is nothing left for them to take action for.

        If he didn’t resign, perhaps it would be slightly harder for the chief a town over to hire the guy, but since he resigned he may have minimal marks on his record.

        I’d bet a thousand bucks this guy gets another job as a cop within 1yr though.

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          I’d bet a thousand bucks this guy gets another job as a cop within 1yr though.

          I’d bet a thousand bucks I know which video they’re going to be watching in the morning briefing on his first day.

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      Of all the stupid that exists in Florida, they actually have pretty powerful open records laws.

      It’s actually one of the reasons Florida has the “Florida Man” reputation. We know more about what’s happening there.

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        He resigned when he knew he was going to be fired. Probably easier to look for a job in another department before the dust settles.

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    Obtaining a barber license means that you have completed a minimum of 1,250 hours of instruction in barbering education within a period of at least 9 months or completed 1,250 hours of training. It takes 1,250 to 2,000 hours to be a cosmologist. Police in Germany get 2.5 years of training, and in Finland, police education takes three years to complete. Police in the USA get 750 hours.

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          When I first heard about it, I could not believe it. Fair enough there is shortages of police so they want recruitment process to hasten. But this is at the expense of public safety as there are too many trigger-happy police. Which is counter to “protect and serve” motto!

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      cosmologist

      uh… this is why we didn’t approve of the word “cosmetology”. It takes more than 2000h to be a publishing cosmologist/astronomer.

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      And the leading cause of injury/fatality for police officers by far: vehicle accidents. Not being shot at.

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        That’s why they form a gang, because the only way they can feel strong is if they outnumber you.

        That’s why it takes fifteen fucking cops to “deal with” a single homeless person in a public park who isn’t bothering anybody.

        If they do that during the day, with enough people around, people will whip out their phones to record the cops and the cops will give up and leave and stop harassing.

        If they do it during the evening, and there’s not very many people around, and only one person whips out their phone… The cops will arrest the person who whipped out their phone, too, because they outnumber them.

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      Yep, and this is just tracking mortality. You would think, oh hey maybe they look better if you included things like workplace violence…nope. Pretty much 80% of work place violence happens to healthcare workers and social workers.

      So pretty much every healthcare worker has experienced more violence in their work than police officers. I’ve had patients take swings at me in my hospital, it’s a fairly natural response to being in pain, on drugs, or disoriented. But just because your occupation has the potential to introduce you to a violent environment, that doesn’t justify your own participation in it.

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        I’m a very nonviolent and nonconfrontational person, but I once had a boil in a sensitive spot lanced without adequate pain control, and it took all my self control to not FIGHT it. Stone cold sober, knowing it needed to be done, my body physically wanted to fight the doctor to make it stop. It’s nuts to expect someone who’s not completely there for whatever reason to be completely in control of that instinct, but it’s what cops expect people to do.

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        Cops will taser or shoot you before you can take a swing at them. Healthcare workers and delivery drivers don’t get tasers and guns.

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      1. Small engine mechanics
        Fatal injury rate: 15 per 100,000 workers
        Total deaths (2018): 8
        Salary: $37,840
        Most common fatal accidents: Transportation incidents, violence and other injuries by persons or animals

      What the absolute fuck?

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      Looking forward to my next traffic stop so I can mention that crossing guards have a more dangerous job than cops 🫡

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        Yes. A lot of them also involve being killed by the machines they use too. Safety measures can only go so far.

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    Everyone, stop what you are doing and check your local police department for this guy.

    During the course of the investigation into the shooting, deputy Herandez resigned from the force.

    He is out there somewhere, getting scared and shooting at his own car.

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          It sounds like they believed the shooter was their own engine so I’m going to assume all the local wildlife was fine. They did however eliminate the evil deceptagon.

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        The article said where he was firing, into his cars engine block. It does not mention where his partner, who was in the car, was aiming at.

        I presume, the handcuffed person in the car was traumatized, but physically fine.

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          The cop was firing at the back of the car. His partner was interviewing the girlfriend of the suspect when she heard the shout of shots fired. She asked from where and the cop said from the car, she opened fire at the front of the car.

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      It’s easy to shit on cops but I hope the guy is okay. It kinda sounded like he resigned after self-realizing how this is not an okay situation. He’s probably been in a handful of fucked up situations to be triggered like that tbh.

      Either that or he’s actually retarded.

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          You don’t empty a whole clip like a schizo after hearing one shot lol. I think the protocol would have been to call back up or “I heard shots fired on main Street”

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            You’re right, it’s a bat shit insane response, but cops in the U.S. are trained to be afraid and react without thinking on a hair trigger. His reaction is unfortunately way too normalized.

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        I do hope he gets the treatment he needs. It is not normal behavior.

        I also don’t want him with a gun near a school, mall, or any other place with lots of bystanders. Not until he has a good record of not overreacting.

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    I’m sorry, this is fucked up and I shouldn’t be laughing, but you really can’t make this shit up

    What’s more, in his body cam footage you can clearly see the acorn fall into frame and strike the roof of his car. When asked if this was the sound he heard, Hernandez had this to tell investigators:

    “I’m not gonna say no, because I mean that’s, but what I, [10 second pause in speaking] what I heard [3 second pause in speaking] sounded almost like [12 second pause in speaking] what I heard sounded what I think would be louder than an acorn hitting the roof of the car, but there’s obviously an acorn hitting the roof of the car.”

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      Guy served two tours overseas.

      I think it’s kinda fucked up to laugh at what clearly seems like a PTSD attack. He shouldn’t be a cop, and it’s a good thing he resigned, but you shouldn’t mock someone for this. Even if it’s super easy to.

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        “Man killed people for a living for years so we gave him a pistol and let him corral the civilians around!” Making fun of it and shaming this dumbass system is the only hope of it ever changing

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        Yeah I know, taken out of context it’s really funny but it’s not when you consider the circumstances.

        I hope he actually resigned and found a safer job instead of just being moved to another department and that the mental health checks for cops get better, but I’m not holding my breath for the second one.

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      Top comment really nails it:

      This is unironically the most embarrassing video I have seen in my entire life. I am not exaggerating at all. I would kill myself if there were footage of me acting like this. Dude gets scared by an acorn, does a Max-Payne-backwards-dive, unloads 20 roads into his own car (luckily not murdering the unarmed guy in the back of it), does some horrid Arnold-Schwarzenegger impression while crawling over the floor bawling his eyes out, and then forces an armed stand-off with literally no one. Actually absolutely insane, the most unhinged behaviour I have ever had the pleasure to witness.

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        He quit afterward. Probably because he was teased mercilessly by other police officers. If only we could harness peer pressure to reduce police shootings.

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        “SHOTS FIRED!”

        (combat roll)

        “SHOTS FIRED! SHOTS FIRED! SHOTS FIRED!” (still rolling around)

        (gets up, unleashes hail of bullets at the car with his partner pretty much directly downrange)

        (slight pause, beat of silence)

        (falls backwards into the road)

        “Eaaahhh!”

        (fires several more times, now lying on his side in the road)

        "I’m hit! I’m hit!

        (fires until his gun is empty)

        (his partner asks something)

        “What?”

        “Ablbla! Abinica!” (crawling across the road now) “In the car! Ow!”

        (catches his breath, taking cover behind a different car)

        (after a while, his partner comes nearby, frantically asking if he’s okay)

        “I’m good! I feel weird! But I’m good!”

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            As funny as it sounds, my understanding is that it’s often not immediately obvious in the adrenaline of a life-threatening situation whether or not you got shot. You have to kind of check yourself over and make sure because you literally don’t feel pain.

            I’m going to be honest, there is a part of me that’s hesitant to be so so harsh on the guy, because it’s hard to say how you would react in (what you perceive to be) a life-or-death situation. It’s not unusual for people not to react well. There was one shooting video like that where the cop did something embarrassing and I had full sympathy and support for him (A woman pulled a gun on him during a traffic stop and shot at him, and he stumbled back and shot her, and he thought for a second that he might also have hit someone in a jeep full of people that was randomly stopped behind her. He was on bodycam just overall losing his shit from having shot her, not even understanding why she tried to shoot him in the first place, and thinking for a second that he might also have also hit someone in the jeep by accident. That I can have a lot of sympathy for honestly.)

            That said, you need to not have this kind of reaction if you’re a cop. In a personal capacity I have sympathy for him; he learned he doesn’t have the right stuff for what he wanted to do; this humiliating display is etched in permanently as his legacy, and he has to find a new job and he’s just lucky that no one got killed because of him. In a professional capacity, fuck him and let’s all laugh at him rolling around in the road and wailing.

            (Edit: Personally, for me the absolute peak of the comedy is when he half-empties his gun, and there’s a little beat of stillness, and then out of nowhere he just falls down and wails before starting shooting again. Again I shouldn’t laugh because someone could have been killed. But it’s fucking hilarious and I can’t see it as not so.)

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              My dad was in the military, and he got shot in the leg. He said it was the most painful thing that he’s went through so far, so I don’t know if I believe that. I bet this cop has never been shot in his life.

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                By most accounts it is definitely common enough that you should REALLY check everything, because adrenaline can be a hell of a drug. Like: people noticing a fairly small entrance-wound but being completely unaware of a gigantic exit-wound is apparently so common that I’ve heard that it is the very first thing you should check for in case of a shooting.

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      Wow. Listen to those screams of traumatized neighbors as he continues to claim he was hit ~1:35/1:40 in. Can’t tell if it’s the other cop yelling at screaming people to stay back, or a mother yelling at her screaming child to stay back or what.

      And that guy in the car - they’re just going to shrug and say “my bad” about the fact that if the cop was even the slightest bit competent with that firearm he’d be dead?

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    Headlines like this are often a stretch, if not outright BS. Read the story. The headline does not begin to do justice as to how fucked up this was.

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        Lul, that was a good suggestion. He ‘felt weird’, hid out of the acorn way (with some epic fat-rolling), still decided his car needed suppressive fire and get shot (maybe) multiple times (I guess fancy red-dot sights don’t improve skills like they show us in vidya games?). Just perfect.

        But the cherry on top will be his inevitable medal, promotion, lifetime rent for emotional damage suffered, and a whole bunch of murders he will commit (after all, anyone could be hiding acorns, or perhaps would have at some point in the future, can’t take that chance).

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          Red dots are a performance enhancer for someone who is trained, not a substitute for training in and of themselves.

          Anecdotally, people who are not trained to the point of second nature tend to forget about their sights, especially on pistols, during a shootout.

          While the cop’s failure of aiming ended up being an overall positive against the rest of his incompetence, it still highlights incompetence strictly within the realm of shooting.

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            For real or for like two weeks or like went to cop elsewhere?

            (Legit question, I don’t know things, but see posts about this sort of stuff)

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          I guess fancy red-dot sights don’t improve skills like they show us in vidya games?

          Training solely with red dots is a detriment to your skills, at least. A red dot can make even the most inexperienced bozos look like a sharpshooter at the range, but under stress the lack of “low-level” practice/skills would severely limit your gunmanship. That’s not to say to not practice with red dots, you should put a lot of time into the tools you’re likely to use and in a similar way to how you’re likely to use them, but it’s also important to practice a lot with iron sights and whatnot if you want to develop and maintain… actually good aim. A lot of people tend to not do that, though, because fancy sights make shooting practice targets easy and can make you feel like you’re way better than you actually are.

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    This story pairs nicely with the other one that’s currently trending.

    Florida Legislator Files Bill That Would Keep Killer Cops From Being Named And Shamed

    This dipshit is what they want to protect so he can just go work in another district and kill someone else.

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    Police aren’t brave, they 're the biggest cowards in societies, and we let them kill without consequence… This should frighten you

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      One of the biggest reasons I’m glad I did an enlistment in the Army is having got a couple years experience in Iraq to genuinely understand what a fucking joke American cops are.