Sublette County Sheriff K.C. Lehr has received more than 7,000 emails about a Wyoming man who reportedly captured and tormented a wolf before killing it, he told Cowboy State Daily on Wednesday.
Some of those are threats.
Lehr said people in his office, as well as Sublette County and Wyoming Game and Fish Department personnel, have been receiving threats — including death threats — stemming from Daniel, Wyoming, man Cody Roberts’ reported capture, torment and killing of a wild wolf in late February.
What is it about white people and posing in front of a dead animal and smiling?
Based on the photo, looks like a pretty small wolf too, probably a juvenile.
It was a juvenile female. He ran her down with his snowmobile until she was exhausted, then ran her over to injure her and paraded her around town alive and hurt until he finally shot her eventually :(
Just in case anyone else missed the full story and didn’t hate this piece of shit excuse for a human enough yet.
There have been 21 lethal attacks of wolves on humans in the recorded history of North America EVER and 2 lethal attacks in the last century.
https://pounceconservation.weebly.com/how-common-are-wolf-attacks.html
The reintroduction of wolves transformed the ecosystem of Yellowstone for good. They not only hunt but disperse ruminants so they don’t concentrate on specific locations and interrupt plantlife there. They hunt weak prey, maybe those that suffer from illness (like CWD) already. They leave carrion for scavengers who can spread seeds of specific trees like willows which also had a comeback in Yellowstone. Through dispersing the ruminants they enabled the comeback of the beaver who also worked towards restoring the plantlife via new waterways.
https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/wildlife/wolf-reintroduction-changes-ecosystem/
I’m from Europe but I see the stupidity and sadism of North Americans especially in Wyoming, North- and South Dakota, Montana, Utah & Pennsylvania everyday on my timeline. The depicted case is no singular event. They systematically hunt down apex predators like foxes, wolves, coyotes, bobcats, mountain lions and also very advantageous animals like oppossums (ticks) and beavers (preventing wildfires and restoring nature) and racoons (pestcontrol).
The images I’ve seen made by Pennsylvanian firefighters(!) hunting down foxes in fundraising hunting events were just harrowing.
Then those sick in the head hunters & trappers and their spoiled kids pose themselves as the only viable solution to regulating overpopulating tick-ridden ruminants or the recent superboar infestation after they killed of all their natural predators.
I wish them good luck with CWD and Alpha-Gal ticks in deers when they’ve exterminated the species that could effectively render CWD harmless:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34753180/
But thank god your precious livestock can live. Who needs the 4% wild animals (opposed to the 60% of livestock biomass)?
Fingers crossed for a very specific 22nd.
One of my favorite videos shown by my Environmental Science professor in community college, for anyone who hasn’t seen it.
Be warned, the video starts with a bunch of wolves howling, so watch the volume on your speakers/phone/headphones/etc.
Please sign & share this petitions to protect those beautiful and social animals from the only real beast called homo sapiens:
https://www.change.org/p/protect-northern-rockies-wolves https://www.relistwolves.org/wyoming-action
Please support these guys if you’re able to:
https://youtube.com/@SaveAFox https://youtube.com/@Liondad_1987 https://www.relistwolves.org/
Yea, fuck him - he’s just an ass.
People who grew up with him can probably attest to this.
Sure, but I hope we can all agree that directly threatening this guy with death is not an acceptable response.
ya we should actually just kill him
Yeah, torture is a far better punishment.
No. People don’t live in enough fear of society anymore and it fucking shows by society literally falling apart before our eyes.
Do you think in a village of 10 this behavior would have stood? Fuck no. They would have either corrected the behavior early on or just cast him out of society to live alone and die alone.
I admire your naivety about the reasonability of an average Lemmy user.
Yeah I didn’t realize this was the “pro death threat” community. I’ll see myself out before someone claims I’m defending a POS animal torturer.
You’re the voice of reason here. Don’t let the mob bully you away from what you know to be true and moral. Sometimes the majority are all wrong.
Scum like him deserves permanent suffering, and any piece of trash defending him deserves at least a tenth as much.
It’s not about what he deserves, it’s about how we choose to punish him. He probably thought the wolf “deserved” torture. You want to stoop to his level?
We killed all the Nazis.
Unfortunately no, but we absolutely should have.
No we didn’t. We were at war with them, and killed just enough of them to force their surrender. Thereafter the remainder were not rooted out and murdered, although many were tried for their crimes. Many fled and were more or less allowed to do so. Some were adopted by the US in operation paperclip.
Paradox of tolerance garbage doesn’t work, stop using fallacious reasoning. Fucking up a psycho who tortures animals doesn’t make you a worse person. Quite the opposite.
This has nothing to do with the paradox of tolerance.
I just don’t want any part of a justice system that includes “fucking up psychos” just because they’re assholes who probably deserve it.
Societies the world over moved past that type of revenge based / satisfaction owed justice system a few hundred years ago.
I don’t think anyone that enjoys torture in any form has a place in our society so I’m ok with it
Nope, I don’t agree.
I grew up on 10000 acres of farmland. My entire family were proud “poachers”. I’ve seen some shit, including a bullet riddled bald eagle behind the barn.
Some of my earliest childhood memories were of my grandfather and deaf uncle chasing around coyotes like unhinged psychos with the dog waggon. Watching the greyhounds run them down, and tear them to shreads while they laughed and had a great time. Coyote pelts used to bring a lot of money as well.
Now, I never liked this behavior even though I was raised and forced to participate, but I certainly understand how these morons become this way. They mostly behave this way with predatory animals like wolves, coyotes, hawks, etc. Animals that kill all their chickens. Break their cattles, or horses legs and may or may not kill them. They take pride and satisfaction in ridding the earth of these “varmint”.
Now I am mostly vegan, aside from my love of raising chickens, and eating their free range eggs. And I love all animals! But, I want to murder the fuck outta those rat bastard possums when they weasle their way into my henhouse at night, and I wake up to my babies feathers and caucuses splayed across the yard.
Oh yeah. He’s been a bully for a looooong time to be smiling that hard in that photo, possibly even a sociopath.
Can’t imagine a non-sociopath would do something like that to another living creature.
Honestly surprised he’s not a cop
Yeah when I was reading that quoted blurb, i was definitely assuming they were gonna say he was a cop.
Game and Fish handled Roberts’ case, which reportedly resulted in a $250 fine
Hopefully some of these threats are serious. I can picture some bright red tape wrapped around this MF’s mouth.
Remember kids, revenge is a dish best served cold. Wait until the publicity has died down.
$250 is not a fine, it’s a torture fee.
That’s just like a poaching charge or something, the criminal bit gets to where its animal cruelty towards a protected species (in most of the US iirc).
He probably spent more on gas.
Should have had all hunting and fishing licences revoked for life at a minimum
Someone should treat him how he treated that wolf and likely countless other animals.
Simone should start a go fund me for some lifers commissary in exchange for what you suggested.
Most people are fine with animal torture if it is for a delicious hamburger.
Most people are under the impression that the cow is dead before it hits the ground, and way before it even goes in the grinder for processing.
You’re still killing it. Would you think it’s okay to kill a dog for meat as long as it’s dead before it hits the ground?
Insofar as there’s no moral difference between killing a dog and a pig, yes.
Im genuinely curious, would you buy dog meat at the supermarket?
Depending on the price, taste, etc., I’d consider it an option
Ethically imo there is no difference between killing an cow/pig to eat and killing a dog/cat to eat
it’s one of the reasons i’m a vegetarian of almost 9 years.
That said, if it came down to a survival situation i’d have no problem killing and eating an animal… ethically speaking
While I agree with your statement about survival, buying meat from a supermarket has nothing to do with survival (which is what 99% of people are doing).
Floey is implying that the rearing of domesticated animals is inherently torturous.
Inherently? No, that’s not needed to construct Floey’s argument. Floey’s argument requires only that the meat producing process be practically torturous. And it is. Most chickens are raised in quarters so cramped that they need to be debeaked so they won’t peck each other to death from the stress.
I don’t think you should speak for Floey, and you definitely don’t need to be preaching to me. I’m mostly vegan already, aside from some dairy products I use in baking. I will say though, those factory farms are actually the more environmentally conscious solution as it doesn’t impact local biodiversity and has lower emissions or land usage per lbs of meat produced.
FiniteBanjo:
Floey is implying
Whataboutism
It would be whataboutism if the purpose were to excuse this man’s action by pointing to other examples. But I don’t believe the person you’re replying to intended that. I think they mean to say this man is awful, and so are carnists, which is not whataboutism.
You’re partially right but I don’t really believe in evil and good people. Carnists aren’t evil but carnism is evil. If I thought people were simply evil I would not poke the bear so to speak.
Nice thought terminating word that you aren’t even using correctly.
I wouldn’t expect you to understand, it’s OK.
Well this story just bummed me the fuck out. That dude needs to be in someplace for psychiatric help. Shithead sociopath.
That’s the thing. He seems pretty normal. Our society and its most basic concept of decency has been decimated to such an extreme. Half of the people in this country may not even blink to an asshole like this torturing an animal for the lulz.
This coward deserves every possible malfeasance in his life, but unfortunately, we no longer care enough to go beyond feeling nauseated online.
Just because most of our populace is sick doesn’t make it normal.
In a profoundly sick society, “normalcy” is being part of the problem.
Most of our populace isn’t sick. Don’t listen to that dude’s whining. It’s obvious that the overwhelming majority of people find this objectionable and fucked up.
It’s obvious most people can’t differentiate normal from normative.
Half? Nah, 90%. There’s more than 90% who aren’t vegan.
Fuckoff, I only want to torture people. Animals get a quick death.
I can’t take you seriously when it’s clear you only chose your diet to feel superior. You don’t actually care and it shows. Probably just a tourist. We don’t claim you or want you here making us look crazy and unreasonable.
First off, you’re talking nonsense because I’m disabled. Secondly, what you’re saying is impossible. Why would I consider moral superiority valid if I didn’t care about others? If I didn’t care about others, I’d obviously adopt a might makes right philosophy or something abstract like exclusively valuing beauty or truth or intelligence or something. You believe that I think vegans are superior to carnists, and therefore you believe In invested in the idea of moral superiority. Therefore it’s impossible, according to your beliefs, that I don’t care about others.
You’re saying impossible, self-contradictory garbage because you can subconsciously sense that I have NPD and that makes you feel angry and hateful at me. There is no rational basis for your feelings, you just don’t like people who are different. That’s why what you’re saying is completely irrational.
Nah, I just don’t respect or like you specifically based on how you communicate. You’re really full of yourself to think I considered you more than that surface level. Write another couple of paragraphs about how you don’t have NPD lmao
You’re telling a very blatant and easily disproven lie. You’re currently claiming you didn’t consider me more than surface level. But earlier, you claimed that you knew that I was hiding my motivations for choosing my diet.
You’re not that interesting dude let it go 🥱
Folks are dumb as hell sending death threats to the sheriff and the fish and game department.
Fuck no. Let them know this shit isn’t acceptable.
Great, what is achieved by that. Are you getting the fish and wildlife game to legislate new laws ? Maybe harassing them to quit so they don’t enforce anything? Or just openly committing enough of a crime that they can arrest you instead with zero fucking thing achieved?
Wdym what is achieved? Most people on lemmy would agree that ‘the government should be afraid of people and not the other way around’, right?
This is just people expressing their anger, in a language that these bastards understand.
So nothing, got it. Harassing the fish and wildlife service isn’t praxis, it’s just being stupid.
Fish and Wildlife Service isn’t part of the government?
Sure. You’re as effective as making a measurable impact as a boomer yelling at a meter maid. Great job.
The right punishment for animal cruelty isn’t death. Sending death threats is also not acceptable, there are ways to complain without becoming a criminal yourself.
there are ways to complain without becoming a criminal yourself.
Tell that to Shinzo Abe’s killer
True - the right punishment for animal cruelty is permanent torture, both physical and psychological.
I don’t belive in that shit. No human or animal deserves torture. Human rights apply to bad humans too, even murders deserve to get a second chance after a long rehabilitation program
May he suffer the same outcome he put that poor animal through
We can only hope.
People who live close to him can do way more than just hope. For one, I hope all of his windows are smashed up.
On. The. List.
I don’t get people who take, like, joy in torturing or killing animals in this way. It seems supremely fucked up to me. And I hunt.
It’s fucked up to you because it’s fucked up. People who torture animals make me change my position in torture.
Anyone torturing animals should be subjected to torture himself. Fucking piece of shit.
You’re probably struggling to see their perspective because you aren’t a psychopath. If you were a budding serial killer working your way up to torturing humans I bet it makes perfect sense.
It can be a lot of things, none which make sense to normal people. My guess is it’s mostly a power thing. This guy felt big and strong and intimidating for a moment of his life and he wanted to bask in it.
Because he knows, just like the rest of us do now, that he’s really just a sad, scared piece of shit that would piss his own pants and cry like a baby the minute someone his own size decided to pick on him.
In fact, I bet his pants are filling up with piss knowing that he’s a national news story and people want him dead for his behavior. I just hope he doesn’t have another victim to take his frustration and fear out on. Unless he wants to make that victim himself.
As you feel about others, I feel about you.
Well factory farming is disgusting to me and I don’t want to quit eating meat so w/e man.
Yes, that’s why I feel the same way about you that you feel about this man.
No one, and I mean no one, gives a shit what you think.
See I knew I wasn’t going to have to respond because I knew someone would jump in and stick up for me over this haha
No one cares. You’re irrelevant.
Poor wolf :( they look and act so much like dogs who could do that?
Psychopaths.
Science Memes: Bro hunters are srs and professional bro we can trust hunters to follow the rules and always confirm their targets in this owl purge of one of two species that look extremely similar
Me, a Southerner: I know hunters, I have hunted, I know hicks, I have to go to hick country all the time, LMAO
I’m a biologist (well, microbiologist but we learn a lot of regular macrobiology stuff as undergrads) and used to get into arguments with my dipshit former high school classmates all the time about this. There was the ever present “hunters are the best stewards of the land” bullshit as an argument to get rid of permitting, tagging, etc. Hunters are mostly terrible, especially trophy hunters. They in particular select against some of the more advantageous traits.
Even if the steward bullshit was true for most hunters (spoiler: it’s not), it only takes a small percentage of them misbehaving to drive animals to extinction.
I wish this applied to wild boar populations, fucken invincible invasive assholes.
Wonder if their thriving has anything to do with scumbags like the one from Wyoming posing with a crippled, defeated wolf in a state where basically no restrictions exist about how many and in which ways apex predators are allowed to be murdered. Looking at Montana, Dakota, Wyoming, Pennsylvania and Utah. No that can’t be it. The natural way has to be to gun them down from helicopters with gatling guns. That’s how it always has been done in good old america.
I dunno I wonder how much of this thread believes in rehabilitative justice when it’s convenient for them to do so, but will then turn around and advocate for extreme eye for an eye style punitive, retributive justice whenever it strikes their moral fancy. If it was seen as socially acceptable to go to the coliseum and see people thrown off of large wooden towers, or to go and look at the gallows, I can guarantee we’d still probably do it.
I also don’t think this act requires psychopathy, or else you’d probably have to classify like, every teenage boy who kicks over an anthill or tries to shoot a squirrel with a bb gun as a psychopath. No, I think probably the fact that he paraded it through the town and bragged about it is the biggest indication that, much like the people in this thread, he thought he was doing something morally justified and cool.
Maybe finally I’d just like to ask the question of, if you don’t actually want this guy to be horribly tortured and killed, or become some sort of adverse strain on the medical industry, become disabled, dependant on medical care (really revealing of your opinions of the elderly and disabled there, guys), then why are you calling for these things? These things which you do not actually believe should happen? Probably it’s because your brain’s been rotted by social media which I can appreciate, but still, I must chastize you for it, because when I do it, it’s morally justified and cool. While I don’t think that “death threats” from random people usually carry with them the same kind of weight as when political pundits call for the deaths of a given population or even a single person, and it’s unlikely that this guy actually gets tortured with all the fixin’s and trappin’s of a cut off your toes style collections agency, I still think it’s pretty morally repugnant and obviously unproductive to send this guy hate mail. At least package some ricin in it or something, if you really care, c’mon.
I don’t actually care if you go scoop out this guy’s eyes with pomegranate spoons or take your toenail clippers to his teeth or whatever, or maybe like. Leave him in the unrefrigerated milk and honey bath for several weeks. You know, lest I be accused of being an animal torturer, or complicit in animal torture, which, really beating the witch hunt allegations there, Simone. No, I don’t really care about that shit, what I do mostly care about is that it’s fucking annoying to see a bunch of presumably men but also women who are unable to experience emotional distress without wanting to call for an eye gougathon. It’s okay to be sad and kind of mad that this shitlord is basically going to get away with this, as it would seem. I don’t think it’s healthy or productive to vent your emotions at this random person, though.
I could also maybe call out the “well, are you guys vegan?” hypocrisy that everyone else has already done, but I’m not a vegan and I don’t care because I don’t have morals, so I’ll leave that to them.
Thank you for your time.
I don’t have morals
I still think it’s pretty morally repugnant
I dunno I wonder how much of this thread believes in rehabilitative justice when it’s convenient for them to do so, but will then turn around and advocate for extreme eye for an eye style punitive, retributive justice whenever it strikes their moral fancy.
Well.
You advocate for a fair justice system when you’re rational because you know at some point you’re going to have an irrational reaction. It’s the entire point.
dude holy shit this post is like if you asked chatgpt to write a dissertation on this shit in a sociological tone, but without fucking punctuating it.
Yeah I typed it all on mobile when I was taking a huge dook
respect the honesty i guess lol
I want him to be put in prison never to be free again. But that will not happen so to protect more animals being tortured by this pos I wouldnt be sad if he gets killed either
Hypocritical mob rule for me not thee advocate checking in for duty
Thank you for writing this out.
You think too much. Shut that brain off. Nothing online is important enough to type that many words.
Tl/dr
And you wouldn’t classify a kid shooting a squirrel for fun as psychopathy? It doesn’t necessarily have to mean anything but I’d definitely see it as a warning sign. Killing anything just for fun the fun of it seems weird to me.
Probably not. Teenagers are still developing their brains, empathy, etc.
Some teenagers are taught that hunting is a valuable skill and want to practice it. Some just want to use their toy and don’t actually consider the full implications. Some might have been taught that squirrels are vermin.
All those things are more likely than the teen shooting the squirrel because they enjoy causing pain. Probably the squirrels POV never even shadowed their thoughts.
tl;dr teenagers are stupid and do stupid shit without thinking about what they’re doing.
and you wouldn’t classify … as psychopath*ic
No, I wouldn’t, for the same reason you instantly stated after your question.
Warning signs are warning signs. They are not indicative of anything other than a possibility.
It’d be pretty hard to kill a squirrel with most bb guns, I would think, it’d just be really harmful and kind of a stupid thing that I can imagine a kid not thinking through, or thinking is funny after seeing their friends get shot with them and coming out okay.
None of that really parallels with the current instance, but the broader point I’m making, I think, is that people throw around words like “psychopathy”, but then that’s never used as a way to discuss anything further. It’s used as a way to shut down discussion and pretend that these things are inevitable instead of being things that kind of stem from a collective cultural cruelty. You see accusations of psychopathy in this thread side by side with people wishing the cruelest possible things on this guy. If it is psychopathy, then this dude is more like a victim of incredible mental illness, and calling for his torture is, a very weird approach to mental illness. Then you also get people who are like “it isn’t an excuse”, and then I think you can dismiss those people out of hand because they’re coming into the discussion thinking that you’re trying to use mental illnesses as an excuse for torturing animals, which is really dumb.
I’d also make the side point that if you were to classify that behavior as psychopathic, than as evidenced by both the thread and just kind of my general admittedly anecdotal experience, then psychopathy would probably be the default state of humanity, which I don’t think really lends meaning to psychopathy as a term.
