The whispering is all in her head and says she sucks
Definitive red flag if that is their supposed understanding of computers
Why? They’re HR and hiring managers, not IT specialists.
Try seeing it from HR’s perspective. They post a job and get +200 applications. The success criteria is not hiring the best candidate, it’s hiring a suitable candidate. Given that premise, why would you read through all 200 applications, when there’s someone with a nice website and cool sounding software, who promise that their product can sort through the resumes and only pick the relevant ones for you?
Heck, I’m definitely going to be looking for an ATS testing site for my CV now. It really doesn’t matter what we think of it. If you want to communicate you’ll have to do it in a way that your recipient will understand, and if my recipient is a PoS software that can’t read PDFs, then writing my CV in latex is probably not the most effective way to communicate.
We don’t care, it’s their job. I get that they’re busy, but it’s their problem, not mine. No excuses for these scumbags.
You can be outraged all you’d like, but if you choose to, then we’re not really competing for the same jobs.
I get that they’re busy, but it’s their problem, not mine.
So? What are you going to do about it? They’re making it your problem, and you can comply or not get hired.
IDK about you, but I’ve got a family to feed, car payments to make, a mortgage, and no self-esteem. It’s clearly hyperbole, but if I have to go down on a clown to make it easier to meet my income requirements, then I’m not gay but I’ll still be looking for some tictacs.
no self-esteem
Not setting standards for yourself is holding you back. I see people with your attitude get underpaid, passed over for deserved promotions, and get mistreated. You are enabling shitty companies to stay shitty.
It’s sad.
It IS sad, and shitty, that companies treat people like trash. But when you’re on your third layoff in 18 months for reasons completely out of your control, clown knob starts looking mighty appetising. Not everyone gets to live the same reality you do.
“we can’t afford ATS software that can read PDFs”
okay, can you afford to pay me a proper wage??
Try seeing it from HR’s perspective.
K, now what.
Now you get it. That was what I was trying to say. They’re just trying to look like they’re doing enough to get paid.
The savvy ones are probably copy pasting entire resumes into chat gpt and then asking if they’re a good candidate.
Tbf I’ve done that with first joblistings. Like “ask questions that a suitable candidate for the following joblisting should answer in a job application”. And then pasting my cover letters asking for relevancy and phrasing help. Maybe I should try for ATS optimization.
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They are definitely feeding the resumes into some piece of software to eliminate people and it likely doesn’t take PDF. So they have to actually do their job and read something. Can’t have that…
I basically read this as “Please make my job easier by doing X”.
You think they bother to read it if it doesn’t fit in their system?
Not all of them but when somebody comes asking then probably a couple…otherwise no.
I feel like someone should link this person to this thread. Her profile is very easy to find on LinkedIn. I’m sure she’d be shocked by what people are saying, but maybe that’s what she needs.
I’ve been in hiring discussions where word doc is looked down on since the candidate is not thinking about how to protect their data from manipulation.
This ladies take is dumb as hell, or as others have mentioned because her company changes applicants information.
Realistically what’s the worst that company is gonna do? Make my resume better?
I think they meant that the document can look significantly different based on the software reading it? Whereas a published PDF is going to look basically the same (embedded fonts, etc)
This lady’s* take is dumb
The number of times I got a word doc with the job description in it is ridiculous as well. Yes, I am judging you if you do that.
A PDF is also editable, sure, but at least everyone can open the goddamn thing without any problems.
Then stop using automated software that excludes candidates if the entirety of the job description isn’t embedded in the resume. You’re not special. You’re just another job. And 90%+ of companies use dumb filtering so people have to adapt or get used to 2k+ applications per interview.
PDFs are also editable…
Are you fucking kidding me?
That’s some of the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard… Hell, that would even be fucking stupid in 1998.
She’s lying, many recruiters want to edit your CV in word, e.g. removing contact data, so that the companies can only contact you through them.
Shitty and unprofessional practice, no self-respecting candidate would ever hand out their CV in an editable format
Alternative suggestion: spray paint your resume on the outside wall of the offices of whatever company you are trying to apply at. Bonus points if you manage an approximate rendition of Comic Sans throughout.
This is legitimately feasible with a 3d printed stencil
Reminds me of that greentext about an IT guy for a big business who has absolutely no idea what he’s doing and just keeps telling people over the phone to install Adobe Acrobat, about 2 or 3 times a day at most, and 98% of the time it works.
Thank you stranger for understanding my deep internet references when my wife sure doesn’t lol.
She doesn’t know that Word can open PDFs
This has got to be a shit post or engagement bait…
9/10 applicants who submit their resume as a PDF for our openings, we can’t view.
Can’t, or won’t?
Or don’t know how to.
If you can’t figure out how to open a PDF, I really don’t want to work for you.
Apparently it’s because a lot of agencies use software that automatically scrapes résumés for keywords that match job descriptions and they don’t work very well with PDFs.
This isn’t a PEBCAK error for once, and that’s very surprising because I’ve learned the hard way that your average recruiter is a professional spammer that will flood your inbox with shitty roles whilst lacking the mental capacity to understand that entry level doesn’t mean 5+ years of experience.
Sorry I can’t see this picture, can you upload it as a word document please?
I used to do layout and design for children’s books. I cannot tell you the number of times I requested an image to be edited, or a higher resolution version, only to be sent a word doc with the image inside the document.
I’ve gotten a screenshot in a word doc that was printed and then scanned to email. I couldn’t see a gd thing.
I asked someone to send me an image once (I think their logo) and they wanted to know if I prefer word or excel format?
When you email a graphic artist and ask them if they can send the file with layers and they send you an xls document with extra workbook tabs you know you are in for a fun day.
lol, that’s a boomer classic
Pdf files are a prime vector for malware. One of the most reliable ways to get a virus in a system seems to be sending a gimmicked pdf and social engineer it so it’s opened.
I’ve always kinda wondered how recruiters computers aren’t swimming in malware.
I’ve always kinda wondered how recruiters computers aren’t swimming in malware.
That’s the fun part; they are!
If you can’t open 90% of pdfs sent from different sources then you’re the problem
I also wonder what the fuck they’re even looking at the site with. Any modern version of Windows can open PDF’s without needing to install additional software. If they’re using Mac’s I’m not sure, but given that Office similarly would need to be installed to open a Word doc I’m pretty sure they could also install a PDF reader at that point …
Mac also opens PDFs natively
I don’t want to work somewhere if they can’t even open a PDF. The fuck kind of Windows 3.1 machines are they using.
Even that wouldn’t be an excuse: https://winworldpc.com/product/acrobat-reader/3x
I work for a small/med business MSP. You have no idea
See, that’s okay though. The MSP who can’t read PDFs being filtered out is kinda okay. Been there, ain’t going back.
An MSP is an IT company that supports several other companies. They’re saying they have users who don’t know how to open PDFs all the time in multiple industries.
And I wish that was the worst.
Just last week, we had a call about missing emails to an accounts payable account.
Emails weren’t missing. They needed to scroll down in outlook to the shared mailbox folder.
There were 1400+ unread emails.
They hadn’t noticed for a month.
MSP== managed service provider. Aka we’re the it team for multiple small businesses.
Many of our clients have stuff that was out of warranty in the 1900s.
Did you know there was a 32bit version of Windows 10? Cause I didn’t until one clients win xp machine finally died and the program they use can’t run on 64bit os’s. Lucky for the client that the guy who wrote the program was still willing to do some contract work to get us the installer and instructions. He’d been retired for about twenty years.
Most of the time, sentences in a sensible order, we reading easier can make.
Candidate hot tip - if you’re going to learn English from a fictional green puppet, choose Kermit The Frog; he is a native English speaker.
