• Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
      433·
      19 days ago

      These idiots take other people being proud of who they are as a personal attack against males. I debate if it’s insecurity or ego to think it’s all about them. You can be proud to be male, it’s just kind of dickish since society has literally never cared about you being male.

      • Ephera@lemmy.mlEnglish
        251·
        19 days ago

        I do find it quite weird when people claim to be proud of something for which they did nothing to achieve it. Like, his shirt literally says that he was born male. I guess, he did manage to get successfully born, so uh good job?

        • i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca
          181·
          19 days ago

          I’ve never been prouder of that time I rolled 2 dice and got 12. A breathtaking, crowning achievement where all my years of hard work or education or whatever paid off.

        • leisesprecher@feddit.org
          152·
          19 days ago

          It’s a last resort.

          Nationality, race, sex all are things that can’t be taken away from you. Even the lowest of the low lives still can look down on mexicans, blacks, women because at least he’s not that!

          Attacking these last resorts by making them not matter, is an attack on the flimsy sense of self worth these people have. You can’t be proud to be a man if it doesn’t matter that you’re a man.

        • Willy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          11·
          18 days ago

          I mean chance/luck is a huge part of everything. Sure you can nudge things a bit here or there but you really shouldn’t be proud of anything you “accomplish” if you think about all the luck involved.

      • schnapsman@lemmy.world
        72·
        18 days ago

        In a hyper-individuelistic society where everyone is constantly being compared and judged, the feeling that you’re better than everyone else brings incredible relief. Of course the concept of being better than others is deeply flawed but you never learned to question these things. So how do you achieve the feeling? Study hard, lift others around you, save your money. Sure, but that takes years, and it’s hard work. So what if you’re inherently better than others-- that solves it. Race, language, gender, nationaliry… All things that cost you no effort. There’s another shortcut to these feelings. All you have to do to in order to become better than most of the population and get into to heaven is say that you believe the Bible. That’s it. Just gotta say you believe it and you’re in the club. Zero effort, all the dopamine. Supporting some sports team. Buying a particular car. Using what you buy to signal to others something about you. Bumper stickers, adding a ribbon to your profile picture, posting some cringe on LinkedIn, attention seeking on your birthday… All attempts to showcase how excellent you are with minimal effort.

        So if your entire sense of self worth is based on attributes about you which you were either born with or cost you no effort, you’ll want to support anyone who places importance on those things. Nationality, consumerism, race, gender, religion, etc.

    • Agent641@lemmy.world
      471·
      19 days ago

      I used to wear a black kerchief around my left wrist when I was hiking, for wiping sweat and washing face, TIL I’m a strong SM top when I’m on the trails. Not quite sure what that means but I’m willing to learn.

      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
        21·
        18 days ago

        Well, we take the hankies out when someone catches a whiff of Lily Law or Jennifer Justice.

        But for real, both are really cool means of coded communication. Hankies are definitely less of a “Gay men” thing than a leather community thing, though that’s getting into niche enough subcultural divisions that it’s not the sort of thing most people care to learn and there’s really no point for them to. But yeah the hankies partly served the same role as polari, it’s a way to communicate illegal desires in a way that requires being taught the code. It’s actually quite similar to learning drug slang, except with a higher barrier to entry back in the day.

          • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
            21·
            18 days ago

            That’s fair, I love the language (or is it a cant?), especially considering it’s the only language I know to be descended from thieves cant. The use of language for such purposes is fascinating because it’s easy to see how many people have or had some version of something like it in our own lives, just slang we use so only people we want to understand us do, especially as teenagers.

  • stoy@lemmy.zip
    951·
    19 days ago

    As a man, I have never been “proud” to be a man, I mostly feel ambivalent about it, it is who I am, I’d rather be proud about my actions than my gender.

    • Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zipEnglish
      111·
      18 days ago

      This. I think it’s kinda ridiculous to be proud of something you haven’t done anything for. I’ll much rather be proud of the thing I did than about shit like where I’m born or as what I’m born.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldOP
        92·
        18 days ago

        The only time I would say that doesn’t apply is when you’re part of a traditionally marginalized group. Black pride, or queer pride or indigenous pride all make sense to me. Because it’s a collective pride thing more than an individual pride thing.

        • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
          31·
          18 days ago

          And in that case I think it’s best to think of the pride as coming from the action of resilience. When the term gay pride first appeared it was controversial but the argument was that society had been telling us to be ashamed for so long and we weren’t going to take it anymore and in fact we’ll be proud to be queer instead. And I maintain that if queer phobia had stopped before I grew up it would definitely be very emotionally different, because there’s also the pride of just being different from the norm. You can see that in stuff like in people who are proud to be a redhead or people who are proud of the area they come from but aren’t anymore (I’m planning to move out west and I’m already noticing myself get more Midwestern in anticipation).

    • StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world
      111·
      18 days ago

      In case you get any odd responses, while many people use ambivalent to mean they don’t care, it actually means you have contradictory feelings, i e., you are both for and against something.

      • stoy@lemmy.zip
        132·
        18 days ago

        Which is true, there are parts I like about being a man, and there are parts I dislike about being a man.

        In general I am comfortable

        • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          13·
          18 days ago

          Which is true, there are parts I like about being a man, and there are parts I dislike about being a man.

          …and these days there is probably some specialized label to describe that that isn’t merely “man” because that would be too easy.

          • BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee
            11·
            18 days ago

            It’s degrees. Some may really enjoy parts of their masculinity and other may be really uncomfortable with parts of their masculinity. Some may have so much apathy toward their masculinity that they prefer to avoid the label of man because, though that may most adequately describe them from the outside, they have no desire to apply that label to themselves. The concept and performance of gender is a hodgepodge of various qualities that are complicated, often contradictory, and dependent on tons of external factors.

            Those labels are there to assist people while they engage with the nuances of one of the most intrinsic and complex qualities of our subjective experiences in life. It’s messy, but it’s also beautiful that more people are inspecting their lives on such a fundamental level and practicing self determination.

            Man is a perfectly fine label for many, but others may not have the same opinion about the term despite sharing similar feelings to OP and many of the people in this thread; and there’s something uniquely human about that which is worth exploring

      • stoy@lemmy.zip
        331·
        18 days ago

        I will make no secret about how I don’t really understand transgender people, it used to annoy me, but since about a year or two ago I realized that it doesn’t matter to me, and it apparently matters a lot to them.

        So I stopped caring enough to be annoyed, I realized that if they are happy and it doesn’t hurt others, then I have no reason to make their day worse.

        To all trans people, I may not understand what you feel, but I will not be a dick about it, my confusion is my own issue and I will do my best to not make it yours.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldOP
          121·
          18 days ago

          I wish more people were okay with not understanding other people or what they do to express themselves and their identity, but accepting them regardless, so you have my commendations.

          People way into body piercing confuse me, but if that’s your thing, go for it. As long as you are doing what makes you comfortable in your own body, that’s the important part.

        • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
          31·
          18 days ago

          That’s fair. It took me years of living with it and trying to sort through my feelings to understand it. I’ve long liked to use the analogy of appendicitis. I have no idea what my appendix feels like, maybe I’ve felt it but it’s just somewhere in my guts and there’s no reason to notice. But when someone develops acute appendicitis it apparently hurts so bad they struggle to think about anything else. Gender dysphoria is kinda like that. Most people have a gender, but so long as everything is going right they won’t really notice much of it unless they’re seriously looking to. But for some of us it hurts like hell and we had to do some figuring out and treatment.

          But beyond that, the older I get the more I’m feeling like the basic unit of freedom is the statement “I don’t understand but it clearly matters to you.” For more things more people need to learn to think that way, and it can go all the way from things like people being trans to how people 5 years younger than me decided to start growing mustaches that I associate with cops to all sorts of things. I’m a city girl, I don’t get why people want to live in rural areas, but they do and it’s not my place to judge them or stop them.

      • Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world
        21·
        18 days ago

        Huh, I’ve been banging on about this for awhile in isolation after talking to a lot of cis people about gender and it’s really weird to see it in an article by someone else.

        Weird and validating.

    • Tedesche@lemmy.worldEnglish
      41·
      18 days ago

      No one should be proud of a demographic quality like race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. You should be proud of accomplishments .

      • Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world
        32·
        18 days ago

        Depends on your context of “proud”. Pride movements for instance aren’t nessisarily about being specifically proud of your gender / sexual orientation in the same way one is of your accomplishments. The movement co-opted the word to mean something subtly different. When some says “I am a proud gay man” for instance the statement does not imply “I think I am particularly special given this trait and am worthy of praise because of it” what is actually being implied is "I am not ashamed by this trait and will not be treated as if I should be. "

        The movement has it’s own language and “Pride” specifically was chosen as being the opposite of shame which was the affect people were expected to have by society. The people who created the idea did so out of participation in gay support groups at the time where the social norm was always that you had to perform a performative regret like being gay was a habit akin to a drug addiction. You were reinforced to adopt a narrative that you were unhappy and struggling - even when actually your partner and community might be a source of great joy. Gay Marches were shirt and tie events where one soberly asked for people to see you as a human that passes for straight, all the culture and actual proclivity tucked behind a neat mask where that undercurrent of shame was still at play.

        True Emancipation, according to the Pride movement, was fighting the narrative that there was anything shameful about being happy. They decked themselves in rainbows as an allusion to the joy they wanted to show the world, modeled Pride events on Independence day events and affected instead of performative shame performative pride. Something that would allow them to be unapologetic in their fight for actual rights to exist in the light of day as opposed to the former affect of shame that turned them into pitiful beggars asking for scraps of patchy tolerance to exist in the shadows as people who would treat their own way of being as a failure state.

    • Empricorn@feddit.nlEnglish
      2·
      18 days ago

      [Insert meme of cyclist putting a stick in their own spokes]

      These people need to be a victim fighting against an enemy, real or not. That’s why they’re so aggressively straight, white, and male…

    • recursive_recursion they/them@lemmy.caEnglish
      143·
      19 days ago

      “The lady doth protest too much”

      “The lady male doth protest too much”

      Edit:
      if people don’t like this comment in context to the post I’m willing to take it down

      • pivot_root@lemmy.world
        161·
        19 days ago

        It might be easier for people to understand the context if you quoted more of the original image, like

        The “proud fuckin’ male” doth protest too much

        • Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world
          12·
          18 days ago

          Does that look like a “gentleman” to you? By familiarity of this particular sort who broadcasts his open distain for trans people on his shirt I warrant he is not a chivalrous, courteous, or honorable man.

          I think “male” is probably polite enough and better than he deserves.

          • ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            11·
            18 days ago

            I don’t really care TBH, it’s (probably) a joke so it doesn’t have to be accurate to the real life circumstances and then it works better when people actually substitute the correct words IMO.

  • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
    552·
    19 days ago

    Some people would have just cut their hair to give the societal cue about their gender, but I give this guy credit for making a special pronoun vest instead of conforming.

    • ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net
      101·
      19 days ago

      There was that meme that I read that I can’t remember but paraphrasing.

      How straight people will never ever be 100% confident they’re straight. But if you sex a person of the same gender and don’t like it, only then can you with no uncertainty, be 100% confident you’re straight.

      • rbn@sopuli.xyz
        51·
        19 days ago

        Even then it might have been the wrong person. I never felt attracted to another man so far but how can I be really 100% (!!!) sure there is not ‘the one’ out there unless I meet them all? :D

          • rbn@sopuli.xyz
            11·
            18 days ago

            But what if they’re just performing poorly the first time? Shouldn’t we give everyone at least a second chance?

  • MiDaBa@lemmy.ml
    321·
    18 days ago

    What’s funny is “deal with it” is exactly the point. The unironic way he proudly announces his preferred identity is laughable.

    • Hawanja@lemmy.world
      52·
      18 days ago

      Does anybody really give a shit, if he’s male? Like how does that change my life or affect anything or anybody anywhere? Seriously the egos of these freakin’ snowflakes.

  • ftbd@feddit.org
    281·
    18 days ago

    The biggest offense here is calling something without sleeves a jacket