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Do a favor for the cops, they give you nothing and often end up revealing who you are, sometimes by accident.
Do a favor for the mafia and they do one for you
Is it just me that doesn’t believe the McDonald’s employee thing? I think they used a Pegasus or Stingray type privacy violating device/exploit and just said it was a restaurant employee.
Pegasus is a scalpel. Needs to be applied and targeted. Stingray is old news and common. It is a catch all.
Was this used? Given how much money could have been thrown at it, very likely.
Or they pretended to be a customer and said to the employee, “Gee, that guy really looks a lot like the killer, doesn’t he, ha ha wouldn’t that be funny, anyway give me a big mac and fries. He does look like him though.”
Nancy the wage slave called him in but the fat boomer they ran articles with is the fed?
100% the whole story is too convenien lul.
Columbine kicked off an epidemic of school shootings because of the attention it got. Some people need a focus for their misery and I am not ashamed to say that I would rather see heartless corporate executives fear for their safety instead of school children gunned down as they hide in a closet. Just putting that out there.
It really would be a strange kind of uniquely American poetry if our school shooting problem inverted itself into a megacorp CEO shooting solution.
If a few more CEOs gets off’d, they’ll ram gun control legislation through congress faster than Trump can wolf down a Big Mac.
I think they said that Luigi had a ghost gun, partially 3D printed? Of course he didn’t make the bullets so maybe that’ll matter.
That would be quite a lot of gun control, especially for the US. Even in the UK you can buy ammo, I’m not sure why because your certainly not allowed a gun.
Historically it’s been threats to the owner / controller class that have produced serious gun control legislation in the US, so you are probably right! But if you mean actual confiscation a la Australia, pretty sure that’s off the table here. Sincerely think it’d spark a war no matter who sincerely attempts it or why.
The cat is out of the bag, no? 3d printing guns is a bit of a Pandoras box in regards to gun control. Especially in America where it has been legal for so long
Federally legal. I didn’t realize it but like 14 states outlaw them and others have prohibitions on parts of them. Honestly, I’m impressed it didn’t break. The idea of making one makes me nervous over safety. I haven’t even been brave enough to print a stock or foreguard simply out of concern. I also don’t trust aluminum casings (if a shell splits it’s likely damaging the barrel or receiver).
A papercut that draws blue blood is a bigger issue to these freaks than a river of poor corpses.
Given that the guy used a (partially) 3D-printed gun, I just can’t fucking wait to see how the overbroad knee-jerk restrictions are going to impact the hobbyist maker space.
Or they just make it easier for CEOs to get and carry guns.
Hello lonely young men with something to prove, have you seen how much positive attention Luigi got
well im lonely but i dont want to goto jail.
So what you’re saying is if the collective can set Luigi free then you might be okay with the deal?
no ill miss my computer too much but it is tempting.
You can’t miss your computer if you die guns blazing or drive off a cliff
depends what situation id get myself into. I’m fond of being alive currently.
In Heaven all those ads promising a “Free Alienware” if you just fill out a survey are actually true.
Just avoid eating inside restaurants for awhile.
This convo is heavy sarcasm, no person should do something stupid based on shit read online.
But school shootings are bad thing to do though
we are not talking about school shootings.
Hey kids.
Don’t shoot a school.
Shoot a CEO instead.
I’ve got very few long term prospects, very little empathy for the undeserving wealthy, and a whole lot of spare time.
Ladies, look out 😎
Luigi got attention for being arrested, the police are the ones alleging that he was the one who shot the CEO.
Well yeah, don’t you remember game theory talking about how big his cock is?
I am glad to know I’m not alone in this line of thinking!
shit, i would say school shootings are endemic now.
Only in America. Where there’s guns, there’s accidental death.
I say ban the guns so the vigilantes need to use cricket bats. Sell the surveillance tapes for PPV.
Hey, those tapes are community property. Stop trying to commercialize justice.
Take it else where to do this circle jerk.
Stay on topic please. Brian was a prasite. Nothing to do with us fire arm laws.
Workplace shootings are nothing new. Where do you think the term Going Postal comes from?
Damn I thought it was the hit game POSTAL 2
Watch the Postal movie for a real wtf humor/horror experience. I enjoyed it, but it’s a sensitivity PR nightmare.
I really hope Jo Miran is an alias.
Maybe of the Buckee’s beaver?
In this regard, all the media attention might be a good thing. I haven’t seen this much coverage since that runaway bride horse shit 15 years ago.
Wait for the next step: the franchise fires the employee because of several 1 star reviews and death threats
I’m pretty sure it’s already corporate policy to not question people abour fake bills or do anything to stop shoplifters (because insured and liability). Wouldn’t be surprised if a new corporate policy crops up if something like that does happen
I’ve never worked at McDonald’s but I know for a fact that pizza hut had a policy of not pursuing thieves, we were explicitly told not to do it.
At one point somebody did walk out without paying and the manager yelled at everyone, because literally none of us noticed. But he couldn’t really do anything to us about it because corporate policy was that we weren’t supposed to do anything, even though obviously he wanted us to have done something.
Can confirm… store manager.
I joke that our policy for shoplifters is to offer them a bag.
In reality it’s to offer them a cart as a non accusatory way of saying “I see you”
As for bills I had my boss suggest I take them to the bank. I had to clarify “and I tell them I believe there is a counterfeit in there… Right … Otherwise it’s dangerously close to trying to pass a counterfeit myself… A felony…”
He paused and answered “sure if that makes you more comfortable”
To be clear I understand and agree with a lot of it. Why should I ask my workers to risk their life over some toothpaste? Why should I ask them to risk their life confronting a counterfeiter who is already done commiting felonies.
I also understand it doesn’t help the company. One dead worker will cost the company more than all the product a person could steal. Even with insurance the cost of training even a cashier is nearly $1000. It goes up from there.
It is still frustrating and my employees often take a lot of training to convince them not to care if someone is stealing.
And customers also get frustrated when they tell me someone is stealing and I give them an answer like "that’s unfortunate " and go back to work.
and I give them an answer like "that’s unfortunate "
You might want to also let them know that “we’re insured for this” and that “nobody is going to lose their job over this, so let’s not lose our heads, either.”
Also, it’ll go a long way to acknowledge how unfair it is that an employee doing the same thing is completely different.
I’ve been told flat out the cameras are to watch employees
Hope so…
This thing about them not getting the promised reward needs to go viral so in the future whenever someone’s thinking of turning someone in to get the reward money, they’ll know they’re highly unlikely to get a damn thing.
The average citizen doesn’t know, care, or even understand. Nor do they want to.
That’s why everyone who cares needs to spread the word.
People don’t need to care. They might share it as a fun factoid, they might just say that’s crazy and never think about it again
Until they’re in a position to get a reward… They’ll care then. That little idea they heard in passing will pop up… Maybe it gives them pause.
$10k is pretty tempting for a lot of people…a chance at a $10k reward they’ve heard rarely is paid out is a lot less tempting
Maybe they Google it first, maybe they think twice about if the crime is worth reporting. Maybe they see the world in black and white and believe it to be their duty
It’s worth spreading some information, even to people that don’t care
The average can shift marginally over time and this is a good start.
It’s gone viral on several meme pages I follow on Facebook…
Also if this employee doesn’t get rewarded for the tip-off that led to Luigi’s arrest, what kind of message is that going to send to the public about law enforcement? It’s just going to reinforce the already-growing ACAB narrative and make people distrust the police even further…
Heck, the very real possibility of being publicly outed, shamed, harassed and threatened for being the one to rat on Luigi, and not getting the promised $60,000 reward could end up radicalising more people.
It’s also (probably) not true.
“McDonald’s employee who called 911 in CEO’s shooting is eligible for a reward, but it will take time”
At this point, we don’t know if it’s true or how true. The odds of them getting the whole $60k is very low, but they might eventually get something out of it, depending on if/when he’s convicted, how much of it they decide to award, and how many other tipsters it would be split with. And then of course, after taxes are deducted!
Since the issue has gotten some publicity and people may be checking up on it, they’re probably more likely to give them at least something in this case. But whatever the truth is doesn’t matter much these days – the article stating they might not get it is out there, got attention, and I’m saying it should get more attention. People shouldn’t be fooled when they hear a number and believe they will actually just be handed all that money when they call in their tip.
Here y’go: free fries with your purchase of a BigMac. Thanks for supporting law enforcement.
I didn’t hear about this. Is there an article you can link or something?
This one was posted further up. The tl;dr is that because they didn’t call the NYPD tip line, they definitely* won’t get the $10,000 from them, barring major backlash that may make them walk that back.
The $50,000 from the FBI is up in the air, but is dependent on him getting convicted. There’s some wording that someone else pointed to about the tip needing to lead to an arrest AND conviction, saying that because the tip itself only lead to the arrest, they won’t be paid, but I’m uncertain about that.
I mentioned in another comment that if the 1% want us to keep snitching, these high profile situations kinda need to pay out.
Its pure conjecture, there is no one saying they wont be paid, just some “journalists” saying maybe he wont be paid.
Maybe this might be one of those cases where fuck the truth of the matter, we should just spread this conjecture as truth. Snitches should imagine stitches not riches.
This is why you don’t snitch. The powers that be don’t care about you, have no intention to do right by you, and will actively look for ways to avoid you after they are done with you.
What was it again, Deny, Delay, …
Dispose?
The original is delay, deny, defend.
The one that was on the cartridge casing when the CEO was terminated was, delay, deny, depose.
The act of deposing a person, by one definition is to “remove from office suddenly and forcefully”
IMO, that’s the meaning behind the use of “depose” here.
There’s also legal depositions which are a very different thing entirely. From what I’ve heard, Luigi had a lot of experience with delay and deny. I dunno how much of what I’ve heard is true, and how much is just a game of telephone gone wrong.
Dispose was a joke answer but I appreciate the extra detail
Are you sure about that?
I didn’t think they recovered one with “delay”
The problem is that the first reports of what was written on the casings was wrong, and later corrections are mixed in with the original misreported text.
So there’s a lot of misunderstandings about what they said.
I’m not saying my information is 100% accurate; but I’m not willing to wade through the neverending sea of news articles that care more about clicks than accuracy to figure it out.
In any case, good luck and have a good day!
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I always wondered about WitSec. How long does the protection last? After trial, then what?
Anyone have a citation about the rat not getting the money? People keep saying that, but I haven’t seen a single article posted about it.
“McDonald’s employee who called 911 in CEO’s shooting is eligible for a reward, but it will take time”
Yeah its good to be skeptical of something like this that everyone wants to be true.
this doesn’t really add to the discussion, but i just wanted to say thanks for sharing a source. I feel like i don’t see it enough, so i appreciate you taking the time to share it
I don’t feel like you need to
apologize forexcuse saying a heartfelt thank you with a text comment, just because it doesn’t add to the discussion. We need more of this kindness in the world. ❤️you can pry my kindness from my cold dead hands
Yeah, well, that realy doesn’t add anything to the discussion.
both the arrest and conviction of the suspect
Makes perfect sense, but that’s just a matter of time.
might not be eligible for [the NYPD] part of the reward.
OK, so maybe they won’t be getting 10k of the 60k. They would still get 50k if he’s convicted. So many people are definitively saying that they’re getting none of the money, and that makes no sense.
The tip didn’t contribute to conviction, only the arrest. The words “both” and “and” rather than “consequent” are explicit.
The rat won’t be paid.
And people say that McDonald’s never produced anything delicious.
I don’t have a citation. But I do believe that you’d normally have to wait for a conviction before getting the reward. Otherwise it could be the wrong guy.
I was thinking the same thing. So why is everyone on Lemmy saying “The snitch didn’t even get the money, so they did it for nothing!”
Because they didn’t read any of the sources and just heard about the NYPD requirement that they call the tip line, which they didn’t do, so unless there’s some major backlash, they definitely won’t be getting $10,000 of the reward.
The other $50,000 from the FBI we’re all kinda assuming will have some other reason to not be paid out, but if we’re being honest, if the 1% want us to continue turning on each other in the future, they’re gonna have to let these high profile snitching cases go through.
There isn’t actually any citation for this, there is however a bunch of articles written pointing to the red tape around reward money and saying “maybe” he wont be paid. But so far I havnt seen anything that shows this as more than conjecture
Also this snitch not being paid would be the dumbest fucking move imaginable if their goal is to have murdering Capitalists not be the new trend.
🎶 mama, I just killed a man 🎶
Ma’am, ain’t nobody saw nothing
Insurance doesn’t cover vision. I didn’t see a damn thing.
…and all that came of the whole affair was a bunch of bad reviews for a McDonald’s, which were promptly deleted by the corporation controlling all data.
No, there was a lot more that came of this (unless you’re specifically referencing the snitching part).
- It’s made business execs afraid.
- It’s shown the working class how to have solidarity.
- It’s been a rallying cry for how much the people hare the current system.
- It’s given us a martyr.
- It’s taught the would be school shooters that they’ll get lots of positive attention for redirecting their targets towards those deserving. They’ll get labeled a folk hero, they’ll have people trying to send them money for their legal defense fund, they’ll get their name in the history books. They’ll get everything they ever wanted out of their act of violence.
And I’m sure there’s more.
I’m not a big Astarion fan, but I can see the appeal.
or if you conceal your murder(s) with a thin veil of legality!
Interesting work of fiction.
He’s not wrong that people don’t mind murder if it’s the right people, though.
It’s taught the would be school shooters that they’ll get lots of positive attention for redirecting their targets towards those deserving. They’ll get labeled a folk hero, they’ll have people trying to send them money for their legal defense fund, they’ll get their name in the history books. They’ll get everything they ever wanted out of their act of violence.
I never even thought of that. No more Columbines? Just more Luigis?
Based universe!
I wouldn’t go so far to say that there won’t be any more school shootings. A school shootings is comparatively easy. Their locations are static, publicly available. There are many potential victims, and so on.
With that said, some may opt for the slightly higher difficulty of biz execs for the reasons I’ve listed.
It might even unify some voters across party lines
Maybe the “let me fuck shit up and shoot up my high-school” crowd doesn’t really care about being remembered as heroes but what would I know.
Some of them don’t care about being remembered or how they’re remembered.
But some of them very much do:
https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2023/07/when-mass-shooters-are-seeking-fame.html
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1359178916300027
Example:
I think that user above you was implying more should be done about the McDonalds, which is pretty ironic given the context.
Is his martydom trending on “common” social media like TikTok, YT, Facebook, Discord, big podcasts and such?
Lemmy (and even Twitter and Reddit) are rather niche and not necessarily reaching the larger public, aka this pool of working class folk.
It definitely seems to be yeah, given the number of reposted tiktoks I’ve seen, and the facebook unitedhealthgroup laughing emoji ratio, and all the videos that corporate media are clutching their pearls over. There are tons of comments in Ben Shapiro’s videos on the subject that are cheering on the death of a CEO, despite his attempt to paint this as only the “violent left”. When Ben Shapiro’s viewers disagree with him you know the feeling is widespread lol.
Very interesting.
And some of the “small” news outlets in my feed are starting to sympathetically acknowledge it as well.
I can’t speak for all of them, but I can explain the vibes:
- TikTok/Insta - 100% worshipping Luigi en masse
- Discord - None of the ones I’m in, though I mostly stick to small friend groups I know IRL. I’d be shocked if there aren’t servers praising him as a hero
I can’t speak to the rest.
One of the Hoi4 mod servers im on is actively debating making an agent portrait of him. The debate is about historical accuracy not morality.
Lmao
I guess Advent Health dropped their proposed anesthesia policy out of the goodness of their heart?
For now. However I’m sure they have plans in the works for all sorts of similar heinous and hateful policy changes.
The parasites are scrapping their data online because they know plebs don’t know how to check SEC filings on https://www.sec.gov/search-filings
That could maybe contain names of the people running these death machines.
Coincidentally, unrelated, happenstance fact - you can gain the ability to attend shareholder meetings by purchasing a certain amount of shares - each company sets their own level.
Y’know, exactly like the meeting Brian was on his way to that December morning.…
ohh wow, look at that!
i guess they really do think peasants don’t know how to use common sense and online search, i am sure Securitas and G4S clowns charging a fat fee for this advise too. Classic capitalism strikes again.
does it actually make these parasites any safer?
no way to tell really…
Well the employee was also fired and their life ruined, and it’s still early.
Seriously? Why is that?
Being fired? For being a distraction from the work that McDonald’s wants to occur without people associating it with class warfare.
Honestly it’s probably the manager reacting poorly and once it goes further up the ladder and there is more and more backlash they will turn back on these decisions same as the reward money if they are smart though I think the 10,000 is officially off the table since that was a private 3rd party and the 50,000 will likely be a fraction of that at best.
Any kind of change from norm gets blamed on whoever they think caused it. And it hits wide and usually the innocent just as much.
Until you can provide a source about them being fired I’m calling bullshit.
That’s fair and I respect your time enough to not post sources that amount to Facebook posts and texts from others that live there.
I will say it shouldn’t come as such a stretch that a system that believes in those that interrupt the flow of money as villains no matter the reasons for it from protests to victims of bullying would mistreat an old lady who was hoping to get more out of her existence by being good for it.
So meet my statements with skepticism absolutely! But I implore you to treat as “what if true” rather than “what if false”.
I can’t find anything that mentions they were fired. Do you have a source for that? That would be super messed up.
Well I have it from the statements of the woman herself and the somewhat open gossip now of central PA.
I could try to pull sources but I’m not sure what I could provide that would be considered respectable enough for this community.
I think she was just put on leave but if you are a part time worker on leave without pay it sure looks like being fired even if on a technicality they can say she wasn’t fired yet. I dunno she’s acting like she was fucked over and I believe it when she thought she would get a bunch of money and be a hero.
I don’t have sources that talk about people shitting on cars at the McDonald’s but that’s happening too.
I’ve already heard a bunch of stories of insurance companies approving procedures they denied the day before.
This probably saved a bunch of lives.
Did they seriously not give the snitch the bounty? Can anyone provide official news story on this?
Iirc they never actually pay the reward in almost every reward poster for one reason or another.
Conviction is required, and the informant needs formal recognition by the FBI as a recognized informant first. Karen just called 911, forfeiting the reward.
Lol of course there’s stupid hoops like that.
So anybody who is out and about and sees a fugitive with a publicized reward should know…don’t call 911. Call John Walsh, or pound sand.
Probably gotta call a specific extension that’s only staffed from 10am to 2:30pm with a 2 hour lunch from 11:15 to 1:15 on the first and third weeks of the month and 12:15 to 2:15 on the other weeks.
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There usually needs to be a conviction before there’s a reward.
That’s hillarious. If this were a movie I’d call it bad writing. Heck almost any editor in the world would have it changed to a scene where the snitch is suddenly blinged the fuck out.
almost any editor in the world would have it changed to a scene where the snitch is suddenly blinged the fuck out.
Because it would make for a more interesting story, even though that’s now how it works (fortunately).
Snitching on your neighbor because he kinda looks like the guy should not be rewarded. Unless he’s convicted, he’s innocent. Only if proven guilty you can say the snitch helped and give them their reward. If the person is innocent then the snitch did nothing more than just waste everyone’s time.
I hope that McDonalds has “class traitor” graffiti on it
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whoo, downvotes and no replies
Yeah, posting bullshit gets that. Get your facts straight before you start shitting on other people for being like Reddit.
You’re peak fucking redditor here bud.
Tbh it’s the ceo of Reddit people are mad at. You know your wrong you just want comments to argue with
Given the way some people comment, that is news to me.
First of all Reddit is responsible because they created and actively allow moderators to act the way they do. They perpetuate the fantasy that mods are all powerful and Reddit admins hands are tied when a person is targeted by a mod.
Second the person worked there so it’s extremely ironic a slave wagee ratted on a person that was targeting corporate inequality and they denied her the payout.
Then what criteria do you judge a platform based off of? A large part of why I left Reddit was because of the mods…? And the company can certainly do stuff to fix that, but refuse to because money. So if that’s not the case, then I assume you mean the actual structure and layout of Reddit.
And parent comment is saying the employee is a class traitor. Not the, physical structure and layout of the building? The physical building itself didn’t rat, because physical buildings aren’t sentient.
Your analogy is absolute dog shit.
It wasn’t someone who was eating there bro, it was the Lumpenproletariat in the drive-through window.
why did you leave? you don’t blame reddit after all
When you think everyone else is an asshole you might double check
The owner class and their government muppets are flexing right now as if they want to inflame tensions.
Or are they not reading the room?
They have learned over decades that they can do whatever the fuck they please. They don’t need to read the room, nothing is gonna happen to them anyway. Also, the public just voted their mascot into the White House for 4 years despite 34 convictions, so they are truly invincible and they know.
Ha, 4 years, yeah right. He is going to refuse to leave office
If he lives that long.
Despite all the shitty AI pictures of him with abs, the guy is still old as fuck and in terrible health.
His children aren’t tho and I’ve got a bad feeling this is going to be the start of some twisted fucked up monarchy.
I have no doubt they’d try.
But, other people in his party will try to fill the void too, and none of them or his kids have the horrid charisma that he does.
He’s going to emulate the various Kims of North Korea.
Well, officially 4 years anyway lol
It was a bit of a struggle getting him out last time, wasn’t it?
I think we should compromise, let him stay but force an agreement that he’s not allowed back in once out.Let him stay in prison
Obviously not or they wouldn’t be trying so hard to spin the story.
Spinning the story is how they’ve gotten away with everything.
they are truly invincible and they know
Tell that to the dead one.
Over decades, more like since before the constitution was written. Shays’ rebellion and probably years before that.
Meanwhile, the Internet be like…
The internet would never condone targeted violence as that is a violation of ToS, sir, but we also don’t have to have any sympathy for Brian “the Parasite” Thompson.
All I am saying is that if you see a dog snarling, don’t poke it with a stick. It seems … ill advised.
Sir, the elites are literally bringing out the sticks for since these dog appearing to be losing their obedience…
A few years back during COVID some dude got to TV to tell us how a hungry dog is obedient dog. We just accepted it and I died a bit on the inside then.
But I am proud to be an American again now, at least where we known dead CEOs is a thing!
I have sympathy, it’s just that Brian Thompson is outside of my network.
They’re engaging in displays of power. They think that works because it does until it doesn’t
I, uh… I don’t think they can read.
is there news source for “fuck right off about that reward, bud”?
It’s an easy find. Nobody is literally saying fuck right off, but it’s not a stretch to think this shithole society would screw the person over.
NYPD Crime Stoppers Rules: The NYPD part of the reward is given out through Crime Stoppers. To claim this part, people must have a unique reference number provided when they submit a tip through Crime Stoppers. Unfortunately, because the employee called 911 instead of using the Crime Stoppers hotline, they might not be eligible for this part of the reward.
What a fucking joke. Hope everyone learns the lesson here.
Mustn’t let the poors get a foothold, they may improve their situation.
HAHahaha You can’t make this shit up.
Right? If I tried I’d just write a scene where she’s leaving with a fat sack of cash and then learns that her important knee surgery will cost, two fat sacks of cash.
I highly doubt that with the current climate and visibility of this they don’t pay the class traitor.
*Supposed killer
He’s only a suspect at the moment
Too many people forget this part. Luigi Mangione is, until proven otherwise, innocent. The police, the same people who have spent decades killing them people (especially minorities) and planting evidence, largely with impunity, are alleging that he is the one who did it. Luigi is likely a victim of the health insurance industry but, until it is proven otherwise, he and the shooter are two separate individuals.
People with a lot of wealth and power want to put a bow on this to prevent more frustration from being directed at them.
allegedly
Allegedly a suspect?
Let this be a lesson to any other proles who think Big Brother is somehow on your side. They are not.
They will do and say anything they can to ensure they get what they want, and the rest of us lose. The system is not broken; it’s working as it was designed.
Next time keep your head down and your mouth shut.
Remember: if you see something, say nothing.
Remember MKULTRA, PRISIM, i could go on…
Just what exactly you think psychiatry is? It’s mostly a bunch of fuckwads whining about bullshit and given dope while being observed for their changes. MKULTRA was basically doing the same without consent…or even knowledge but let’s be real. Psychiatry is pretty much the same if you are loud enough about fucking anything.
Oh shi…
